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Old 08-23-2014, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Here is another example of why many people do not respect LE.

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports on Officer Thomas Tolstoy, who was accused by three women of sexually assaulting them in similar but separate incidents, while acting as a police officer, and how he may be close to returning to patrol the streets of Philaldephia. Tolstoy was pulled from duty, with pay, after a woman who landed in a hospital after her encounter with Tolstoy in October 2008. She only knew his first name, Tom, but he had given her his phone number as well.

Six years later, there has been no prosecution of Tolstoy.

more at; Alleged Sex Predator Cop to Hit the Streets of Philly Again: "I'm stuck with a guy who shouldn't be a cop" Says Police Commissioner - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Excellent post, great link--could not rep you.

Unions are democratic organizations. Every member gets to vote both on union leadership and on contract language. Why does a sex predator get to be a Philly cop? Because a majority, 50%+1 (and likely a lot more than that) have voted to make it so. If 50+1 had said no, we don't want a contract that will allow a sex predator in our midst, then he would have been gone.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:08 PM
 
Location: USA
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That would be funded by a tax.

[and it wouldn't be a donation]
Either way.


Maybe cut defense funding and pay for it.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:09 PM
 
Location: NJ
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That would be funded by a tax.

[and it wouldn't be a donation]
I'd be fully in favor of it.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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You would have been accurate if you had specified 'public sector unions.' I am a private sector union member, and it is not the case for us. Like most union contracts, we have a 'just cause' provision in our contract which says that the employer must show cause for termination, and the burden of proof is on them, as I think it should be. I've seen numerous guys terminated over the years for good reason, and the union does not fight it. They only fight it if someone is fired without solid reason.

The public sector is different, and they have different language in their contracts. We have no such thing as "paid administrative leave," for example, which is virtually universal for public sector union contracts.
And yet the UAW fought for the rehire of Chrysler employees who spent their lunch break getting drunk/stoned before going back on the plant floor. Chrysler fired the guys caught on news video, union got them back on the job.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:53 PM
 
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I would agree the Blue Wall must come down, or good LEOs have no one to blame but themselves for having the reputation of used car salesmen.

I would not mind seeing good otherwise LEOs who know of crimes by bad LEOs going to prison for exactly the same period of time the offense itself merits, and losing their jobs, pensions, and even having assets seized such as homes,cars, even their kids 529s, as restitution for the crimes committed. (unless they turned in bad LEOs)

We need to start viewing cops in that old fashioned manner-"You are either part of the solution, or part of the problem". No in between.
Except that some bad cops include those he/she reports to. Some bad cops worked as hired muscle for drug dealers or committed armed robbery and killed another officer in the robbery. I'll post a link to one of the most infamous criminals of the NOPD (New Orleans Police Department).
Antoinette Frank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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And yet the UAW fought for the rehire of Chrysler employees who spent their lunch break getting drunk/stoned before going back on the plant floor. Chrysler fired the guys caught on news video, union got them back on the job.
Maybe the UAW is more akin to a public sector union due to the tight relationship between the Big 3 and Washington DC. Remember the Chrysler has been bailed out not once, but twice by the federal gov't. Did you ever wonder why there are never any start-up US auto makers? The Big 3 and DC have worked in concert to make it practically impossible.

In my union those guys would have been gone. We've had two people in my work unit who failed a drug test, and both are gone. Given the dangerous equipment that we use, none of us wants to be working around someone who is impaired.
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:52 AM
 
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If Police officers are scared to report the corrupt behaviors of other officers what does that tell you??



They say fish rot from the head down.
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