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Old 09-04-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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Europeans by nature are used to a serf-like existence. It gives them comfort to trust in authority, allows them to feel secure. Sadly, they think they have a say in their political affairs and that is laughable. Certainly, they enjoy those 6-8 weeks of vacation.

Humans tend to enjoy the idea that something so huge and solid as the state has their backs. Americans of yesteryear worked very hard to achieve what they had and as they slide deeper into a narcissistic splendor they expect to be blanketed more and more by a providing state. On the other hand, Chinese people are becoming more prosperous and want to be relieved of the state's interest in their lives. I guess it comes down to how much one has and what can be afforded and the amount of excess and for how long that abundance has been enjoyed by a society.

I believe most Americans into being coddled by the state are unhappy no European dystopia will take them in and so they want to put a system in place that works for nations of 10-60 million that would be a spectacular failure in one that has 330 million. Now if you were to take the largest states and allow those places to pay for all these benefits to those dwelling within their own borders while eliminating the federal government (and its taxation) out of the equation, that might be different.
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Old 09-04-2014, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I think they do...if their govt defaults, they are seriously hosed.
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Old 09-04-2014, 06:18 PM
 
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Europeans by nature are used to a serf-like existence. It gives them comfort to trust in authority, allows them to feel secure. Sadly, they think they have a say in their political affairs and that is laughable. Certainly, they enjoy those 6-8 weeks of vacation.
You're funny. Europeans, in their serf-like existence, enjoy higher social mobility than people in the US. As far as I'm concerned, the proverbial "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" in the US - the guy who'll sing the praises of the Very Rich as he expectantly waits his turn for a lick at the silver spoon - is putting his trust in a much more nebulous authority, and one that he cannot in any way influence.

Northern Europeans, at any rate, enjoy government with very low corruption - certainly when compared to the US - and politicians who by and large aren't millionaires, living in their own little universe, and deeply beholden to those with deep pockets.

And yes, 6 weeks of vacation is kinda awesome.
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Old 09-04-2014, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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It sounds like you would be interested in some variety of anarchism.
Yes. I'm anarcho-capitalist. I think government is immoral.
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Old 09-04-2014, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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If you hand-wave into existence a perfect authority whose decisions everyone is willing to accept as binding, you can certainly plan an Utopia. But is it realistic?

Love it. The ocean is one of the last places you would want to be without some sort of authority that can force your freedom-loving neighbor to close his porthole when there's a storm approaching. There's a reason ocean-captains have complete authority, but for God, on their vessels.
There are ways already thought of that could potentially work. Private police or DROs are possible, but who knows what people will come up with. It would take some innovation, definitely, but in my mind there isnt really a choice. What we have now violates the NAP.

My ocean comment was mostly a joke. I prefer everyone just stops putting their faith in government so moving wont be necessary. I doubt that happens in my lifetime though.
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Old 09-04-2014, 07:01 PM
 
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You're funny. Europeans, in their serf-like existence, enjoy higher social mobility than people in the US. As far as I'm concerned, the proverbial "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" in the US - the guy who'll sing the praises of the Very Rich as he expectantly waits his turn for a lick at the silver spoon - is putting his trust in a much more nebulous authority, and one that he cannot in any way influence.

Northern Europeans, at any rate, enjoy government with very low corruption - certainly when compared to the US - and politicians who by and large aren't millionaires, living in their own little universe, and deeply beholden to those with deep pockets.

And yes, 6 weeks of vacation is kinda awesome.

Please, please explain what this means? And in terms that us peasants can understand.
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Old 09-04-2014, 07:02 PM
 
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Yes. I'm anarcho-capitalist. I think government is immoral.
Might I suggest Somalia, Galt's Chile, or GlenBeckistan?
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Old 09-04-2014, 07:03 PM
 
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You're funny. Europeans, in their serf-like existence, enjoy higher social mobility than people in the US. As far as I'm concerned, the proverbial "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" in the US - the guy who'll sing the praises of the Very Rich as he expectantly waits his turn for a lick at the silver spoon - is putting his trust in a much more nebulous authority, and one that he cannot in any way influence.

Northern Europeans, at any rate, enjoy government with very low corruption - certainly when compared to the US - and politicians who by and large aren't millionaires, living in their own little universe, and deeply beholden to those with deep pockets.

And yes, 6 weeks of vacation is kinda awesome.
Those Northern Europeans are living in a nebula. They are happy as they know they must say they are.

I don't think they are all that content and I'm not going to believe any poll provided. And yes, they live a serf-like existence basically doing what they are told to do and that is that.

You really think the Northern European has a true voice in their society? That's a joke. As for corruption, what is there to corrupt? What great things does Europe supply the world with other than quaint English celebrities and tourist traps that are really, really old and/or pompous?

Well, pity the politician that does what he's told and not receive anything but a cush pension for it. I doubt highly that many a Northern European doesn't dwell in their own little special universe and I have seen photos of some of their homes taken on the inside. Oh, they are 'special' all right. Ikea special (European Wal-Mart).
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Old 09-04-2014, 07:06 PM
 
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Please, please explain what this means? And in terms that us peasants can understand.
Higher social mobility?

I think it means they pay higher taxes in return for a cute smugness they can wear as an attitude in public especially when speaking of how one ought to prefer to be governed.

Or maybe they get more likes on FB...
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Old 09-04-2014, 07:14 PM
 
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Those Northern Europeans are living in a nebula. They are happy as they know they must say they are.

I don't think they are all that content and I'm not going to believe any poll provided. And yes, they live a serf-like existence basically doing what they are told to do and that is that.

You really think the Northern European has a true voice in their society? That's a joke. As for corruption, what is there to corrupt? What great things does Europe supply the world with other than quaint English celebrities and tourist traps that are really, really old and/or pompous?

Well, pity the politician that does what he's told and not receive anything but a cush pension for it. I doubt highly that many a Northern European doesn't dwell in their own little special universe and I have seen photos of some of their homes taken on the inside. Oh, they are 'special' all right. Ikea special (European Wal-Mart).
Haar! this from the country that is still installing single pane windows and taking the wheels of their houses.
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