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Old 09-16-2014, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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It's just sad to see the left jumping all over this woman because she had a gun and enough gumption to defend herself in the face of what could have become a dangerous situation.
It was a dangerous situation. Someone had a gun pointed at them.
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Old 09-16-2014, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Gone
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How many of those "accidents" involve alcohol?

How about the ones involving a spouse shooting a spouse?

The Devil is always in the details.

When you hear about an auto wreck where someone lost control of their vehicle late at night going too fast do you ever ask yourself I wonder if they have been drinking? Try doing it with accidental or domestic shootings and you might start realize it is not the gun making people mean or stupid, there is another factor at play. Just as there was in this womans case, some time in rehab looks like the ticket here.
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Old 09-16-2014, 02:58 PM
 
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Accidental Discharge = a malfunction or mechanical failure in the material or design of a firearm that causes the gun to go off beyond any control of the owner.

Negligent Discharge = preventable carelessness on the owners part resulting in the unintentional discharge of a firearm.

You've claimed that fifteen thousand people are accidentally shot each year by negligent firearm owners. I would assume this counts all your range accidents and people who failed to check their firearm before cleaning it, etc. I want to know how many are negligently shot each year by a concealed firearm being carried in public. The number is extremely low no doubt, and definitely nothing people should worry about when they consider the growing popularity of concealed carry nationwide.
WS,

I haven't claimed they were shot by negligent firearms owners. To the contrary, a lot of the unintentional shootings you read about don't make it clear whether there was any negligence or not. Sometimes things happen and there's no evidence that anyone was at fault. In many cases very experienced people were involved.

As to your question about "how many are negligently shot each year by a concealed firearm being carried in public," I don't know whether anyone has that information or how we'd figure it out. I have not seen any numbers on it.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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This lady had every right to defend herself. If she had to tell the boy to go back inside that suggests he was being aggressive, and an elderly woman confronted by a bunch of loud "children" has no way of knowing what their intentions are.
Nonsense. She was just irritated by the clarinet. Obviously, the kid's intention was to practice his clarinet.
Practicing any instrument can be irritating for those who tend to be irritable.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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It's just sad to see the left jumping all over this woman because she had a gun and enough gumption to defend herself in the face of what could have become a dangerous situation.
Have you read any Assault by clarinet playing children accounts lately? Or have seen any on TV?
This charge you made is more nonsense.

I did read such an account once. It happened indoors, when one drunk adult grabbed his clarinet and beat another drunk adult over the head with it.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:57 AM
 
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Alcohol induced pre-mature dementia. Sad. Glad no one was hurt.
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Old 09-17-2014, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Absolutely, crazy people should not have access to guns and since we have no way of making sure crazy people can't obtain guns therefore they shouldn't be available period.
Therein lies the problem. The lady pointed a Mauser at the kid. God knows how old that rifle was, or where it came from. Mausers have been the military weapons, at one time or another, for half the world, and an old rifle is still just as lethal as a new one. Of course, it could have been a new Mauser too, because the company is still in business.

It's very possible the drunk old crank could have gotten a Mauser as a family heirloom, or in trade for something else, or any of a million different ways people get guns. A person's mental state doesn't make any difference- guns are everywhere and they are easy to obtain.
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Old 09-17-2014, 01:02 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Nonsense. She was just irritated by the clarinet. Obviously, the kid's intention was to practice his clarinet.
Practicing any instrument can be irritating for those who tend to be irritable.
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Have you read any Assault by clarinet playing children accounts lately? Or have seen any on TV?
This charge you made is more nonsense.

I did read such an account once. It happened indoors, when one drunk adult grabbed his clarinet and beat another drunk adult over the head with it.
arjay is actually anti-gun and is trolling..... don't let yourself be fooled.

I only keep mentioning this because it's important people know.
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Old 09-17-2014, 01:06 AM
 
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One question that wasn't addressed in the article, were the kids in their back yard or hers? Not that it would justify brandishing a weapon, but I'm curious.
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Old 09-17-2014, 03:50 PM
 
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Accidental Discharge = a malfunction or mechanical failure in the material or design of a firearm that causes the gun to go off beyond any control of the owner.

Negligent Discharge = preventable carelessness on the owners part resulting in the unintentional discharge of a firearm.

You've claimed that fifteen thousand people are accidentally shot each year by negligent firearm owners. I would assume this counts all your range accidents and people who failed to check their firearm before cleaning it, etc. I want to know how many are negligently shot each year by a concealed firearm being carried in public. The number is extremely low no doubt, and definitely nothing people should worry about when they consider the growing popularity of concealed carry nationwide.
WhipperSnapper,

I don't know if this helps but I happened to run across an article on this today.

These incidents involved concealed carry in a bathroom, so it's easy to see how they could have happened.

-- An elementary school teacher in a Salt Lake City suburb unwittingly discharged her concealed weapon in the faculty bathroom. The bullet shattered a toilet, sending shards into her leg and her to the hospital.

-- A veteran detective with New Jersey's Camden County Prosecutor's Office shot himself in the leg in his office's bathroom. Authorities confirmed the accidental shooting but said they could not confirm a Philadelphia Inquirer report stating the detective was seated or about to sit when the gun fired.

-- A man had to be carted away in an ambulance from an Italian restaurant in Kentucky when his concealed weapon punched a new hole in his body. Reports the News-Enterprise: "He set his pistol on the toilet paper dispenser while using the restroom and it slipped off and shot him in the leg, said Elizabethtown Police Sgt. David Neary."

-- Customers at a Burger King in Manchester Township, Pennsylvania, were shocked by what sounded like a "cannon going off" in the men's room. The source, writes the York Dispatch, was a guy whose 9 mm pistol discharged, sending him into a panic as he tried to flee through an emergency exit (and then, when it wouldn't open, the front door).

-- Boca Raton police officer Darryl Kingman accidentally shot a bullet into the wall of the restroom in an Irish pub. The gun went off as Kingman removed it from his waistband to use the urinal and his finger slipped into the trigger guard. He did not have a holster for the weapon.

-- A Plymouth MN a man is in the hospital after he accidentally shot himself inside the bathroom at a Rainbow Foods Sunday afternoon. Police are not sure how the gun discharged and there is no indication that this is anything other than an accident. Police say the man has a concealed carry permit.

-- An Arizona man using a Walmart bathroom over the weekend gave shoppers the shock of their lives when his gun inadvertently discharged as he sat down to use the toilet. Andrew Seals, 24, entered the store restroom around 1 p.m. on Sunday. As pulled down his trousers, Seals' Ruger .357 caliber revolver fell out of it's holster, hit the ground and inadvertently fired. The bullet went through the stall door, hit a wall, ricocheted into a light on the ceiling, then struck the floor about 5 feet from another man who was standing at a urinal.

-- Authorities said a bullet from a gun that was accidentally dropped injured a Tampa woman sitting in a bathroom stall. Police said the bullet hit 53-year-old Janifer Bliss in the lower left leg. Bliss was sitting on the toilet in a hotel bathroom when a woman in the next stall accidentally let her handgun slip out of her waist holster. The weapon discharged when it hit the ground. Police said the gun belonged to a 56-year-old woman who has a concealed weapons permit.

-- A Centerville Utah man was wounded by shrapnel when his concealed weapon accidentally went off while he was using the bathroom at a Carl's Jr. The 26-year-old man had gone into the bathroom to use the toilet, armed with a .40-caliber Kahr P40 handgun. The man, who has a valid concealed weapon permit and was lawfully in possession of the gun, had it in a holster inside his pants. "While pulling his pants up the gun fell out of the holster, striking the tile floor," Centerville Police Lt. Paul Child said Wednesday. "When the gun hit the floor, it went off, and the bullet struck the toilet, shattering it and sending sharp pieces of porcelain flying."

-- A Eugene man accidentally shot himself in the leg with a holstered gun while he was in the bathroom of a downtown Internet cafe, police said. The 26-year-old was using the restroom when a handgun holstered to his leg went off, hitting him in the thigh. Soon after the shot was fired the man crawled out of the bathroom and employees helped get a tourniquet on his leg until emergency crews arrived. The owner of the cafe said the man, a regular at the cafe, was familiar with guns and that the shooting was truly accidental.

-- A man was walking to the bathroom in April in Attleboro, Massachusetts, when the gun in his pocket went off. The bullet hit him and then struck his wife in the foot, sending both to the hospital.

-- An off-duty cop accidentally fired a round inside the restroom of a Target in Honolulu. The bullet bounced off a stall door before drilling another stall. He allegedly called 911, but the incident never appeared in the police department's public reports, leading TV station KHON2 to wonder if somebody tried to cover up the mishap.
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