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Old 09-16-2014, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Compared to what?

People who are on Medicare are not given any alternatives.

There is no competition for their business.

Premiums for their Medicare coverage were taken out of their paychecks in the form of taxes for decades before they received any benefits.

So what's the alternative to being "quite happy with it"?
Some people can pay cash. And there are others who continue working after 65 and are still on their employers plan.

But for most people there are no alternatives. Insurance companies refused to sell health insurance for those 65+ at any reasonable rate. Thus Medicare.

Given the alternative of nothing for many people, Medicare is a good choice.

But the fact is, Medicare is excellent health insurance. My wife and I have been on it for several years and it is at least as good (if not better) than the company insurance that we previously had (BCBS).
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Yeah I know we have the whole convoluted Obamacare thing going on, but it's garbage and doesn't do crap unless you are wealthy or at least very well off. It certainly hasn't helped me any, I still have to pay out the arse for any meds or dr/hospital visits.

Seriously, why is getting good healthcare in America such a PITA? When discussing healthcare why not just simply copy the system from a European country instead of this half-assed Obamacare crap.

America is by far the richest country in the world, is there even ONE good reason we don't simply adopt/copy the NHS other countries have such as Canada, UK, etc? America has 17 TRILLION dollars, you can't tell me if our govt really wanted to implement a NHS system where EVERYONE gets good healthcare they couldn't, instead we get this Obamacare crap. Why not simply copy the success of other countries in this area? Just plain greed?
There is a very good reason why the US does not have a NHS like Europe - it would violate the US Constitution.

The US Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, and supersedes all federal and State statutory laws. The US Constitution also limits the federal government to only those powers granted to them by that document. Since the US Constitution does not specifically grant the federal government the authority to involve itself in our healthcare issues, they are prohibited from enacting such laws.

States, on the other hand, are not prohibited by the US Constitution from involving itself in our healthcare issues. Therefore, States do have the authority to establish a State Healthcare System, if they so desire. Like Massachusetts did, for example.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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None of this is an excuse for anything. Much of common law works based previous case rulings and precedent.
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Which is not law.
Ehm - in a common law system (like the US one), precedent is law. That's sorta the definition. You're quite wrong, here.

(Yes, I know - Louisiana. Hush.)
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:41 PM
 
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And if the majority decided that all asian people should have everything taken from them and they should be slaves, it would be ok with you, right?
Well the U.S happens to be a constitutional democracy. and thus the enumerated rights of the citizens should not be taken away.

but since you mentioned this sort of (not as slaves) happened in our history. The sad truth is if it is small majority it gets to raise or decrease your taxes by a few percentage points. Add some regulation to commerce or remove regulation.

But a very large majority (70%-80%) majorities get to completely crush everybody else.

What right did we have to force Utah to end polygamy? Was it not state matter?
What right do we have to prevent Ex-Cons from buying fire Arms?
what right do we have to prevent Ex-cons from voting?

The answer is when an overwhelming majority supports a decision unfortunately even if it is not the brightest idea it will be implemented into law.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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There is a very good reason why the US does not have a NHS like Europe - it would violate the US Constitution.

The US Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, and supersedes all federal and State statutory laws. The US Constitution also limits the federal government to only those powers granted to them by that document. Since the US Constitution does not specifically grant the federal government the authority to involve itself in our healthcare issues, they are prohibited from enacting such laws.

States, on the other hand, are not prohibited by the US Constitution from involving itself in our healthcare issues. Therefore, States do have the authority to establish a State Healthcare System, if they so desire. Like Massachusetts did, for example.
The Constitution didn't mention anything about airplanes either. But we've got them. And a lot of laws regulating them as well.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:43 PM
 
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There is a very good reason why the US does not have a NHS like Europe - it would violate the US Constitution.

The US Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, and supersedes all federal and State statutory laws. The US Constitution also limits the federal government to only those powers granted to them by that document. Since the US Constitution does not specifically grant the federal government the authority to involve itself in our healthcare issues, they are prohibited from enacting such laws.

States, on the other hand, are not prohibited by the US Constitution from involving itself in our healthcare issues. Therefore, States do have the authority to establish a State Healthcare System, if they so desire. Like Massachusetts did, for example.
We already have a hodge podge of single payer systems.
Medicare
Medicaid
TriCare
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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The Constitution didn't mention anything about airplanes either. But we've got them. And a lot of laws regulating them as well.
We have lots of laws regulating their commerce, which is a power specifically granted to Congress by the US Constitution under Article I, Section 8, Clause 3. We have no federal laws requiring anyone to purchase aircraft, or requiring airplanes to be the mode of travel.

You might want to actually read the US Constitution some day to at least learn what your government can and cannot do.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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That is my point...Insurance companies make money...the government SPENT 584 BILLION. Who runs the insurance better?
Private insurers declined to insure the elderly.

I guess Government could have mandated that they do, but it did not.
So, instead Government created Medicare.

In absence of private or public insurance, US life expectancy would be in the toilet. As is, the US is ranked # 34, likely due to obesity, personal choice.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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We already have a hodge podge of single payer systems.
Medicare
Medicaid
TriCare
MediCare/MedicAid is unconstitutional and should be abolished. TriCare is a Department of Defense healthcare system, much like the VA, set up for members of the military and their families only. Hardly a single-payer system.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Private insurers declined to insure the elderly.

I guess Government could have mandated that they do, but it did not.
So, instead Government created Medicare.

In absence of private or public insurance, US life expectancy would be in the toilet.
States certainly have the constitutional authority to establish any kind of healthcare system they desire. However, the federal government is prohibited from involving itself in our healthcare issues, or any social issue. Social spending is not the role of the federal government. That is the role of State and local governments.

Unfortunately, we have a bunch of low-information voters that have absolutely no clue about basic civics.
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