"The Roosevelt's" Documentary makes me even prouder to be a Progressive! (interview, illegal aliens)

[kidkaos2]

Originally Posted by dv1033

The term bully pulpit was coined due to TR. He was a smart, charismatic man who would certainly win a presidential election as a moderate republican in today's political climate.

I doubt he would get the nomination in today's political climate. After seeing the wreckage they leave behind them, we conservatives don't take kindly to progressives. It's possible he could lie his way into the White House like Obama did, but he'd need the nomination first and he wouldn't get it. He'd have better luck on the Democrat side where would-be dictators are more appreciated.

[mwruckman]

Originally Posted by Glitch

Actually, the March of Dimes raised funds by having children collect pledges of one dime for every mile walked. The children only donated their time and effort, not their money. The money came from the pledges made by sponsoring the child.

Many small merchants and cafes that were once common in our small towns where I grew up put out cans or labeled jars near the cash register where one could put in a dime in the can and be a part of The March of Dimes and fight crippling diseases like polio. So it wasn't just walks. I still remember sereval men who worked to raise funds for such worthy efforts like Danny Thomas (St Jude;s Childrens Hospital) and Jerry Lewis and his Labor Day Telephons for His Kids. I still remember the first Labor Day Special.

[mwruckman]

Originally Posted by BugsyPal

Another fog was lifted from one's mind about FDR's polio and to what extent it was known by the American public at large during his time.

Had always believe and or learned that FDR's invalid state was almost a state secret with only his close family and other in the inner circle knowing. However it appears from this series Americans at the time and anyone else abroad paying attention knew as well.

PBS has covered polio before with at least one series and as this was not per se what the documentary was about suppose Ken Burns didn't go too deeply there, well outside of how the disease if polio affected FDR. However it is important and well worth remembering at that time mothers/parents lived in dreadful fear of the virus. Persons would move house to other areas for a period when an epidemic hit a block or street. Those supporting the anti-vaccine cause would to well to research the effects of polio epidemics.

It was very fearful if it progressed to the point that you spent what was left of your life confined to an iron lung. When I was growing up that image of being confined to that machine with only my head sticking out always troubled me.

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by mwruckman

Many small merchants and cafes that were once common in our small towns where I grew up put out cans or labeled jars near the cash register where one could put in a dime in the can and be a part of The March of Dimes and fight crippling diseases like polio. So it wasn't just walks. I still remember sereval men who worked to raise funds for such worthy efforts like Danny Thomas (St Jude;s Childrens Hospital) and Jerry Lewis and his Labor Day Telephons for His Kids. I still remember the first Labor Day Special.

True, I also remember those March of Dimes cans in stores and restaurants.

Jerry Lewis' Telethons were for muscular dystrophy, not polio. As you previously pointed out, the March of Dimes began by fighting polio. By the time the Jerry Lewis Telethons came around, polio had already been eliminated.

[mwruckman]

Originally Posted by kidkaos2

I doubt he would get the nomination in today's political climate. After seeing the wreckage they leave behind them, we conservatives don't take kindly to progressives. It's possible he could lie his way into the White House like Obama did, but he'd need the nomination first and he wouldn't get it. He'd have better luck on the Democrat side where would-be dictators are more appreciated.

What wreckage, both men left behind better, richer, stronger fairer more decent nations than when they found them. TR is the reason the Yosemite Valley didn't become flooded like the equally beautiful Hetch-Hecthy Valley that John Muir fought so equally hard to save or the Giant Sequoias all cut down. He also broke up the Standard Oil Trust and made it possible to trust out medicines and processed foods. It was said of Franklin Roosevelt that it took a crippled man to show a crippled nation how to walk again. It is too bad Germany of that era did not find its FDR rather than what they did find (a little man who told them they were supermen) . I think they left America better than they found it instead of leaving it standing up to its waist in Elephant Crap.

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by mwruckman

What wreckage, both men left behind better, richer, stronger fairer more decent nations than when they found them. TR is the reason the Yosemite Valley didn't become flooded like the equally beautiful Hetch-Hecthy Valley that John Muir fought so equally hard to save or the Giant Sequoias all cut down. He also broke up the Standard Oil Trust and made it possible to trust out medicines and processed foods. It was said of Franklin Roosevelt that it took a crippled man to show a crippled nation how to walk again. It is too bad Germany of that era did not find its FDR rather than what they did find (a little man who told them they were supermen) . I think they left America better than they found it instead of leaving it standing up to its waist in Elephant Crap.

Actually, the protection of Yosemite Valley predates Teddy Roosevelt by 36 years. It was protected in 1864 when California made the valley into a State Park. However, the State Park did not include Hetch Hetchy Valley. John Muir helped raise awareness in Congress, and Yosemite Valley and Hetch Hetchy Valley became Yosemite National Park in 1890, a decade before Teddy Roosevelt became President.

Teddy Roosevelt has certainly gone down in history as being the "trust buster," but it should be pointed out that it was actually Congress that enacted the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890 that gave the President the authority. Again, that was a full decade before Teddy Roosevelt became President.

You are giving Teddy Roosevelt credit for things that had nothing to do with him.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by kidkaos2

I doubt he would get the nomination in today's political climate. After seeing the wreckage they leave behind them, we conservatives don't take kindly to progressives. It's possible he could lie his way into the White House like Obama did, but he'd need the nomination first and he wouldn't get it. He'd have better luck on the Democrat side where would-be dictators are more appreciated.

Reagan couldn't get the nomination today in the Republican Party.

[kidkaos2]

Originally Posted by mwruckman

What wreckage, both men left behind better, richer, stronger fairer more decent nations than when they found them.

What wreckage do progressives leave behind? Well, let's see:
17 trillion dollar national debt
multiple foreign wars
education costs rising at 700% of the rate of inflation while results decline
structurally high unemployment
as high as 70% illegitimate birth rate in some communities
fairness doctrine, net neutrality, free speech zones, hate speech laws, and other restrictions on freedom of speech
gun control restrictions on 2nd amendment rights
students suspended for wearing the American flag on May 5
refusal to secure the border against illegal immigration, suing Arizona for trying to secure their border while doing nothing against San Francisco for declaring itself a safe haven for illegals
nationalizing more and more of the healthcare industry
using the power of the purse to circumvent the 10th amendment
trying to force private businesses and religious organizations to violate the tenets of their faith
refusing to pass a budget for nearly half a decade
changing the rules of the Senate so the minority party loses its voice in judge appointments
supporting public sector unions
running the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world along with tens of thousands of pages of regulations on business, encouraging them to offshore good American jobs

There's a partial list for you of the practical results of progressivism. I know their rhetoric is all sweetness and light. It's all about the welfare of the common man, freedom and justice for all, etc. But that isn't what they actually when they get elected.

TR is the reason the Yosemite Valley didn't become flooded like the equally beautiful Hetch-Hecthy Valley that John Muir fought so equally hard to save or the Giant Sequoias all cut down. He also broke up the Standard Oil Trust and made it possible to trust out medicines and processed foods.

He pushed for more executive power over the legislature and more government control over the economy. I don't really care about saving a few trees when it compares to setting a precedent of an imperial presidency where the President just does what he likes regardless of Congress or the courts.

You know the single biggest contributor to AIDS research and relief was President Bush. Does that mean that the liberals give him a pass over starting the Iraq War? No, it doesn't. So I'm sorry but as good as his conservation was, it doesn't give him a pass for all the damage he set in motion to constitutional government.

It was said of Franklin Roosevelt that it took a crippled man to show a crippled nation how to walk again.

Yes, that's a nice emotional statement. Unfortunately, it's complete nonsense. Even the architect of FDR's New Deal pronounced it a failure. It's liberal rhetoric and revisionist history that has FDR saving the nation. He did no such thing. He attempted to pack the Supreme Court to get around his violations of the constitution, proposed a 2nd bill of rights that was essentially communism by another name, and interned thousands of American citizens during WW2.

It is too bad Germany of that era did not find its FDR rather than what they did find (a little man who told them they were supermen) . I think they left America better than they found it instead of leaving it standing up to its waist in Elephant Crap.

Of course you think that. Everyone who has blind faith in the Democrat party thinks that. People who study actual history rather than liberal revised history know that's utter garbage. The New Deal did not fix the depression, it prolonged it. Just as Obama's policies took what would have been a 2 year recession and turned it into a 6 year recession. I'm sure liberals are going to attempt to praise Obama for getting us out of the recession just like they praised FDR for getting us out of the depression. That doesn't make it true. All that FDR and Obama did was manage to stay in office until a point where the economy recovered in spite of the damage they did, and then attempt to take credit for the recovery that they in fact prolonged.

[steven_h]

Originally Posted by dv1033
The term bully pulpit was coined due to TR. He was a smart, charismatic man who would certainly win a presidential election as a moderate republican in today's political climate.

Originally Posted by kidkaos2

I doubt he would get the nomination in today's political climate. After seeing the wreckage they leave behind them, we conservatives don't take kindly to progressives. It's possible he could lie his way into the White House like Obama did, but he'd need the nomination first and he wouldn't get it. He'd have better luck on the Democrat side where would-be dictators are more appreciated.

This is all semantics. If TR could see what progressivism has become he'd denounce it in a heartbeat. It's about the same as Wilson admitting he had been duped by his progressive backers. Progressivism is a dirty business that changes its coat whenever convenient. It has always been and will always be a totalitarian (EXP the PC police) ideology claiming to be tolerant, open minded and forward thinking... Nothing could be further from the truth.

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by steven_h

Originally Posted by dv1033
The term bully pulpit was coined due to TR. He was a smart, charismatic man who would certainly win a presidential election as a moderate republican in today's political climate.



This is all semantics. If TR could see what progressivism has become he'd denounce it in a heartbeat. It's about the same as Wilson admitting he had been duped by his progressive backers. Progressivism is a dirty business that changes its coat whenever convenient. It has always been and will always be a totalitarian (EXP the PC police) ideology claiming to be tolerant, open minded and forward thinking... Nothing could be further from the truth.

That is because they are not even remotely "progressive" today. Just like when they call themselves "liberal" they are actually the exact opposite of liberal. Democrats love adopting labels that are precisely the opposite of what they truly are. They think they are actually fooling people into believing they are "liberal" or "progressive."

True liberals are people like John Locke and Thomas Jefferson. The communists in the Democratic Party started calling themselves "liberals" during the mid-1950s when the US House On Un-American Activities Committee started actively pursuing communists.

By the 1990s these communists, a.k.a. "liberals", Democrats, knew nobody believed they were even remotely liberal by the despotic policies they employed. So once again these communists try to hide themselves by claiming they are somehow "progressive" and not actually regressively fascist in a yet another vain attempt to fool people.

The actual Progressive Party were all former Republicans from 1912 to 1924, not a Democrat among them. Wilson was never supported by the Progressive Party.