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Interesting...though it's doubtful that most even care about the issue.
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
define black......please
is Obama who is HALF WHITE with a father who is NON-AMERICAN (true African, no relation to American slaves) black???
a the nearly entire lumbee indian tribe, who mixed with blacks 150 years ago..considered black
is a blackman who just moved here from Jamaica or Haiti considered American black enough to get the reparation??
This country is too ignorant to recognize cultural differences among people of African descent. One minute you're basically forced to be classified as African-American/black and next minute you're not in that category. Bet if they came out with something like this, the U.S. government would fix its mess quickly.
Against Reparations no matter how one wants to address it. How are going to know who had slaves as their family line, many people with African roots came here long after slavery was ended here? Who is illegible, every person with one drop of African blood, someone that is 50/50, what is the determining factor? No, it is not only not feasible, it is not necessary, if the USA wanted to do this they should have done so long ago, over 200 years later is not logical.
That said I, do support affirmative action programs that help poor blacks rise up into the ranks of the middle-class and in my opinion that is all we can or should do at this late date.
So that should make people mad on both sides of the issue, too bad get over it, reality is harsh sometimes.
I agree with your assessment. That ship has sailed, and the nation continues to deal with its failure to do right by the ancestors of AAs. They knew land would equal money and they wanted to make sure thay AAs and their families did not have much wealth. They made sure to prevent much of that until the 60s. It's more recently that things have been changing in that regard.
Affirmative action helps a myriad of groups, including white women. It does help a number of AAs though.
I just saw this on another board. Would you support it?
Issue transferable, but not refundable tax credits to all African Americans. 20 year expiration date on them. Hell, make them provide a birth certificate. It wouldn't cost the US government a cent. Only people who would pay would do so voluntarily by buying tax credits and in return they get a reduction in their tax burden. Win-win for everyone, right?
On top of that, think of the economic impact it would have if every black person in America got $30k/yr for the next five years (or whatever the number). They would spend most of that money domestically and that would create jobs. Factor in the multiplier and it may even pump more money into the economy than the face value of the credits. If anything, it would come close.
So, in summary:
-give reparations.
-stimulate the economy.
-reduce poverty.
-reduce tax burden on individuals and corporations who buy the credits.
-no cost to the tax payer since it is only tax credits.
I actually would support reperations that would end (or come close to ending) intergenerational black poverty.
The OP's idea probably would stimulate the economy in the ways that s/he suggests, but I do not believe it would solve the problem, which is a combination of actual lack of opportunity combined with serial missed opportunity due to ignorance, violence and hopelessness. You would infuse cash into neighborhoods and families that have not a single idea or desire of how to invest, save, seek education or improve their futures. Useless.
A reperations plan which combined some actual financial reimbursement with dramatic & intensive education programs, relocation and a short term, very aggressive affirmative action, after which color and racial indicators would be outlawed. Then social entitlements would need total reformation. Final phase would be to punish race baiters in some way, since there would be no place for those who thrive on hate in a nation that has done everything it possibly can to bring its former victims up to social and economic par.
Everything that would apply to AAs would also be available to Native Americans.
The efforts that have been made round the edges trickle in here and there but never crack the massive core of rot.
Real estate (land) in certain parts of the continent of Africa is not very expensive.
Have the Federal Reserve create the money out of thin air like it already does for everything else, and buy enough of it to accommodate anyone that feels they need reparations. Guarantee at least 10 acres for anyone that signs up to be repaid. Then buy each recipient of the reparations (land in Africa) a one way plane ticket to their destination.
I like this idea. We get rid of the free loading, entitlement minded "victims" and they get a way out of poverty. Win win!
I seriously doubt you'd have to print one thin dollar.
I just saw this on another board. Would you support it?
Issue transferable, but not refundable tax credits to all African Americans. 20 year expiration date on them. Hell, make them provide a birth certificate. It wouldn't cost the US government a cent. Only people who would pay would do so voluntarily by buying tax credits and in return they get a reduction in their tax burden. Win-win for everyone, right?
On top of that, think of the economic impact it would have if every black person in America got $30k/yr for the next five years (or whatever the number). They would spend most of that money domestically and that would create jobs. Factor in the multiplier and it may even pump more money into the economy than the face value of the credits. If anything, it would come close.
So, in summary:
-give reparations.
-stimulate the economy.
-reduce poverty.
-reduce tax burden on individuals and corporations who buy the credits.
-no cost to the tax payer since it is only tax credits.
Hey, I have another idea! I think its awsome.
how about we stop thinking in terms of:
Everybody owes me
Seperation by race
seperation by class
instead lets all start thinking like stinking AMERICANS and recognize that we are more than 100 years away from the civil war.
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