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Old 09-26-2014, 01:59 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Originally Posted by djacques View Post
If telling someone "you wouldn't understand it" is not a deflection, it is at the very least non-responsive.
Naw...it was deflection ...and I doubt there is anything that Limpballs could say that anyone WOULD understand as most on this planet do not speak "idiotese" very well.

 
Old 09-26-2014, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Ouch yonder
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Originally Posted by Ed from California View Post
Rush lives in their heads. He's living the life; they're whining about him on an internet forum.

And Reagan? One of the top 2-3 presidents of the 20th century as all polls always show. The crazies here have an unrealistic and tiny minority POV.
Why was he one of the top 2-3 presidents of the 20th century?
 
Old 09-26-2014, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why was he one of the top 2-3 presidents of the 20th century?
I trend neutral on all presidents and tend to believe they all tried to do the best they could with the cards they were delt. If Reagan had been a Democrat, I suspect many Republicans would have considered him one of the worst presidents. What he did have going for him was his admin hired the very best script writers. Reagan never varied from script and knew how to deliver a punchline.

His admin was mired up to their ears in muck and then there was the Iran Contra affair. That admin experienced the most indirements and convictions of any in history. Reagan claimed no knowledge and people believed him. Back then there was no political cable news or the Internet.

No one knew that he spent most of his time at his ranch - not the White House. Back then, people were not obsessed with the number of presidential vacation days. People seemed to understand that the president is never off duty.

His ran on a platform promice of balancing the federal budget and reducing taxes. Income taxes were reduced but we're not offset by a reduction in spending. So the federal debt trebled under his watch. People did not care.

The first attack by Islamic terrorists occurred in 1983 and destroyed the US embassy in Beruit. 63 people died. No one seemed to blame Reagan for not knowing and protecting the embassy.

Many seem to forget the S&L crisis where it became necessary for the federal government to bail out the thrifts.

Immigration reform was amnesty. Reagan promised to secure the borders and get tough with those who employed undocumented workers. Nuff said.

Real income , adjusted for inflation, did not increase. Walmart with low wage part time jobs replaced IBM as the nation's number one private sector employer. Then McDonalds pushed IBM to third place.

The Earned Income Tax Credit was substantially expanded and became the reason why low income earners with dependents don't pay federal taxes or have skin in the game. This dove tailed well with the decline in full time middle class wage jobs.

Hospitals became required to stabilize anyone who came through their doors, regardless of their ability to pay.
Federal funding for mental institutions was substantially cut and patients were put on the street.

Payroll taxes were increased ( a smart move, in theory) and then promptly borrowed by the fed and spent.

The Soviet Union was disolving regardless of who sat the oval. Had a Putin like character been at the helm, outcomes would have been substantially different than what happened, with or without the Reagan admin.

Reagan was pro gun control, understandable given he was shot. The people blamed the shooter not a failure of the Secret Service.

The seeds for NAFTA and repealing portions of Glass Seagal were planted and nurtured. Most did not take notice.

Reagan took direction from his handlers, well. Nancy knew how to amp up the pomp and circumstance. Back then, people chuckled about presidential gaffs and the media was not yet into selling sensationalism.

Reagan did the best he could with the hand he had been dealt.
 
Old 09-26-2014, 07:55 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Name one good thing Reagan did? I mean for the American people,not corporations or illegal Aliens....it'll be a short list so it shouldn't take you long to compile.
His record does a fine job of demonstrating the consistent hypocrisy of the RW, those who would hold Obama personally responsible for everything from Benghazi to rainy days on their vacations yet never had a damn thing to say about Reagan and the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut or his convenient amnesia over weapons sales to an enemy.
 
Old 09-26-2014, 07:58 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Why was he one of the top 2-3 presidents of the 20th century?

Because Americans are more easily sold style than substance.
 
Old 09-26-2014, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Because Americans are more easily sold style than substance.
Ain't that the truth.

I am not convinced that most presidents in modern history had a substance. He who can demonstrate the proven ability to raise the most funds wins his party's nomination.

It is not possible to compare and contrast presidents who presided before the Internet, cable news tabaloid sensationalism and Super Pacs with those who have.

Heck, back in the 50's there were multiple recessions, high taxes on the 1% to pay for war debt and 20% lived in poverty and likely did not realize the depression ended. Who knew?
 
Old 09-26-2014, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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I am not going to look up the statistics, because they are beside the point. The reason why I responded so strongly to Reagan is that he generated an atmosphere of hopefulness. He lifted us up and reinforced the greatness of this country and restored pride in this country.

This is contrary to the typical Liberal viewpoint of cynical doom and gloom, and keeping the common man hopeless and dependent upon the government.
 
Old 09-26-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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I am not going to look up the statistics, because they are beside the point. The reason why I responded so strongly to Reagan is that he generated an atmosphere of hopefulness. He lifted us up and reinforced the greatness of this country and restored pride in this country.

This is contrary to the typical Liberal viewpoint of cynical doom and gloom, and keeping the common man hopeless and dependent upon the government.
Gloom & doom? Hahahahaha, just look at your fellow conservative posts each & every day on here & you'll really see where all the gloom & doom is coming from. You'd think it was the end of the world reading their posts.

And stats are THE point, good grief! So, why was Reagan so great?
 
Old 09-26-2014, 08:47 AM
 
Location: FL
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He wasn't all that popular until he got shot, then his ratings went up. He also wasn't as polarizing as Bush II or Obama, it was like they put your dear old Grandad in office, you couldn't help but like the guy.
 
Old 09-26-2014, 09:01 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Ed from California View Post
Rush lives in their heads. He's living the life; they're whining about him on an internet forum.

And Reagan? One of the top 2-3 presidents of the 20th century as all polls always show. The crazies here have an unrealistic and tiny minority POV.
Reagan was easily the worst president of the last 50 years.

How's Reagonamics working, America?
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