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And how do you communicate? In English? Do they understand?
Couldn't it be that they are with the insurgents? It is sad indeed but it makes no sense nonetheless.
I have lived with Muslims. They have a strict indoctrination towards their faith. Which means at the end of the day they will have an allegiance to their faith come what may. Yes, the children need to be saved, and even women and many innocent men. But that is my point. With such technological prowess and an intellect to match there should be an answer. I don't know.....gather them all and sort them out? Have a chain of spies working for you? I am just giving examples based on my understanding which is very basic.
In the military you have a translater that travels with you that speaks the language. Maybe the best bet it just to contain them to their region of the world but then are you gonna deny any one that looks muslim into your country. Tough to deal with.
Why couldn't the British Army, the best in the world, beat a group of dysfunctional colonials led by an officer who wasn't good enough to earn even a commission in the British Army?
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Because as much as the liberal politically correct propagandist would have us to believe there aren't "small" pockets of "extreme" Islam.
Despite what the Neo-Confused would have us believe it WAS NOT worth attempting to bring democracy to the Muslims in Iraq which accomplished little but GROWING the size of those pockets of extreme Islam..
And if these people choose to declare themselves our enemy and threaten our country, why do they deserve a trial?
1) They are not the mob. They are not a nation. They are an ideological force. There is no substantial difference between the Taliban, Al Queada, Hamas, or ISIS. They are all the same thing under different names. Because it's based on an idea, we can't just kill it. Unlike the mob, killing their leaders will not send them into mass distress.
2) We fund them. We are short term thinkers. When we have an enemy, we make friends with others who share that enemy, not matter how ideologically different we are from them. We did this with Stalin, we did this with Osama, and we did this with Syrian rebels. Stop funding things we wouldn't normally trust and half the problem will be solved.
And there is something else to consider. It was mentioned that killing some on public TV would send a message. I disagree. Anytime you have terrorists blowing themselves up, that is frightening. Similar thing with Japanese soldiers in World War II. There was a code of "no surrender". Many soldiers committed suicide rather than risk capture. It took Emperor Hirohito telling the troops to stop for them to surrender. They would do anything for the Emperor. This time around, as you say, it is an ideological force. Same mentality, but taking the leader out won't work. Publicly killing someone and putting it on TV, well, it won't work. When I was much younger(around age 15), I used to say we should find Bin-Laden and publicly execute him. Today, I think about it and understand that doing that might boost morale in the USA, but it is ineffective. We're dealing with those who are willing to die for an ideology as well as kill. Many do both at the same time. Suicide bombing is essentially mass murder-suicide. This is why public executions won't send the message.
Religion has very little to do with it other than to make it more difficult to address the real causes of terrorism. When the needs I mentioned are satisfied, religion fades into the background as has happened with Christianity in affluent nations. The way to defeat terrorism is to bring economic prosperity. It's easier said than done, and religion makes it more difficult as well.
And how do you communicate? In English? Do they understand?
Couldn't it be that they are with the insurgents? It is sad indeed but it makes no sense nonetheless.
I have lived with Muslims. They have a strict indoctrination towards their faith. Which means at the end of the day they will have an allegiance to their faith come what may. Yes, the children need to be saved, and even women and many innocent men. But that is my point. With such technological prowess and an intellect to match there should be an answer. I don't know.....gather them all and sort them out? Have a chain of spies working for you? I am just giving examples based on my understanding which is very basic.
Our technology has limits.
One of the biggest problems we have faced from the first in Iraq is there is no technological way to distinguish friend from foe there.
When a member of ISIS removes his uniform or whatever identifying marks he has, he looks just like the completely innocent man who owns a falafel stand who lives next door. They speak the same language, act the same, and share a complete culture in common.
That's true with all guerrillas, not just ISIS. While we now have some good facial identification software, it's impossible to facially scan every anonymous citizen of Iraq. Even if this was possible, these guys move around constantly, so tracking them becomes very hard. Using facial software only compounds the problem, as they are all racially similar, so facial recognition would demand higher and higher computer power.
Unlike most guerrillas, ISIS has formed masses of military-grade troops for their attacks, so we can strike those attacks, and have, successfully. But for every measure, there is a counter-measure. ISIS can fade into the general population very fast, because that's where they live. They know the territory, while we are thousands of miles away. We are fast, but they're faster. That's a primitive counter-measure, but speed is always a big factor.
Our on the ground intelligence depends on the Iraqis and their government. We can never send in enough of our Americans to turn that around. Even an Iraqi-American is more American than Iraqi, and while they can get around, it's about as hard for ISIS to notice them as it is for us to spot a person who's lived in the South all his life in New York City.
But ISIS has a much harder time identifying a person who was born, raised, and has lived in Baghdad all his life as an agent for us or for the Iraqi government. That's why we have trainers and advisors over there; they are training Iraqis how to be effective counter-terrorists.
We are never going to win this in the traditional sense of the word. The best we can do is limit their assaults and grind them down. We can also deny them the use of heavy weaponry, which helps the speed and ferocity of their assaults.
it will end only when the radical fundamentalists of Islam so frustrated they lose heart for the fight. They will not change their beliefs, however, and will seek other ways of furthering their agenda.
The civil war in Lebanon is a good example of what could come. It started out as a fight between these fundamentalists and Lebanese moderates and lebanese Christians, and once the fighting broke out, it continued to sputter on for 10 years while Lebanon went down the drain economically. The fighting only ended when the Syrians, under Assad's father, invaded and stopped it by force. The Syrians shot at both sides equally, and took over the Lebanese government. For 10 more years, Lebanon became an unofficial Syrian territory.
Why did Syria invade? Because Lebanon was de-stabilizing Syria. The civil war kept bleeding over the border. Syria moved in before the Israelis made the move; if they hadn't Israel would have, for the same reasons.
This is the reason why the United States has allies in the Middle East opposing ISIS right now. Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (and others) realize ISIS could destabilize all those nations if they come to controlling Syria. ISIS is a renegade Sunni Muslim force, and they are attacking other Sunni nations first. This is a new development in the Middle East.
You MIGHT be able to decimate the SuperJihad-of-the-week group.
But guess what, another group is waiting to fill the vacuum. Just be prepared to fight this on many levels via non-linear warfare.
Maybe in 10000 years the Headchoppers-of-Eye-slum will be not so insane?????
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