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Old 10-08-2014, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I'm down with 1.2.& 4, but 3 needs to be no foreign owned business, Period. There can be foreign investments in US businesses, but not foreign owned.
That would completely shut down the salmon industry and cut oil production by more than half in Alaska. Why are you so anti-Alaskan, and by extension anti-American?
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Old 10-08-2014, 09:18 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default Conservatives are THE problem

Where were you when Bush was destroying our economy? The economy is doing very well now, thanks to our fine President Obama, a Democrat.

Steps 1-5 involve the same action. Get rid of the influence of Conservatives.

1) Inequities are perpetuated by the bigots, racists, and most narrow-minded in our society. They hire their own, seek to shut out others because of race or gender even when those applicants are better qualified, and have the utmost of disdain for blacks. Devastating to the economy.

2) The rich gained their advantageous position in society because of an "unearned privilege". They indirectly benefited from the unspeakable evil that was Slavery to subjugate and decimate an entire race for economic gain. They then are indifferent to the devastation that this evil wrought on successive generations of descendants of Slaves. Conservatives seek to preserve these inequities, while every one else goes to hell. This "trickle down" economy theory is the most bigoted, atrocious, shameful economic policy in the history of any nation. Devastating to the economy.

3) The chain is only as strong as its weakest link. You have to strengthen the weak link to make the entire chain strong. Conservatives want to fortify and increase the number the strong links, while allowing the weak link to erode over time. The result is that the entire chain gets WEAKER. This is how they look at every category, including the economy. Devastating to the economy.

4) The rich must pay their fair share. It is not OK that they enjoyed a record windfall during the Bush years, while the rest of the country bled to death. Their riches must be capped and they must pay a disproportionately high share, until the effects of the bigotry, racism, cronyism, and good old boy networks they promote, are eliminated. Devastating to the economy.

5) We need Democrats in the White House, controlling Congress and the Supreme Court, to eliminate the staggeringly negative effect that Dixie-think has on this country. Bigots, or those who have more in common with the Klan than not, have absolutely no business in the legislative, judicial, and executive functions of our government on any level. Their presence has proven to be devastating to the economy.

To recap: Conversatives -----> Devastating to the economy.
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Old 10-08-2014, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Step 1: Put tight regulations on immigration. With less immigrants or H1Bs coming in US employers will be forced to hire US workers.
Step 2: Put very heavy tariffs on foreign goods or goods made outside the US(except for Europe where goods already are more expensive). This will make US products on even terms with the cheaply made inferior chinese products and kill off the high demand for Japanese cars.
Step 3: Place high taxes on foreign non-EU companies which are based in foreign countries but have factories in the US. Bye bye Toyota.
Step 4: Place high tax rates on outsourced jobs or criminalize the process.

These 4 steps will allow US industries like GM, Ford, US Steel, GE, and many others that were once strong to revive themselves. With less competition, ...
Competition breeds excellence and what you want to do will eliminate competition (artificially) which will breed incompetence.

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Old 10-08-2014, 11:12 PM
 
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Competition breeds excellence and what you want to do will eliminate competition (artificially) which will breed incompetence.

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That's only true to a degree. Competition didn't save Detroit.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:20 PM
 
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That's only true to a degree. Competition didn't save Detroit.
That's because Detroit didn't believe they needed to compete.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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That's only true to a degree. Competition didn't save Detroit.
Yes, it did. The Big Three, circa 2014, are much better than their 1970's counterparts. They rose to the challenge, albeit slowly, and now they are able to compete successfully against the Japanese automobile industry (and others) with products that are very good and worthy of consideration when shopping for a car.

[i wouldn't have said that in the late 70s and early 80s]
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Old 10-09-2014, 12:05 AM
 
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Yes, it did. The Big Three, circa 2014, are much better than their 1970's counterparts. They rose to the challenge, albeit slowly, and now they are able to compete successfully against the Japanese automobile industry (and others) with products that are very good and worthy of consideration when shopping for a car.

[i wouldn't have said that in the late 70s and early 80s]
At what cost? The city is dead.

Did you know that back in the 1950s and early 1960s was a GLOBAL economic power. It rivaled SF....NY....LA.... Hell, it was on top of the world.
We really need to put up more tariffs on those flimsy Japanese products. I bet all the WW2 veterans who served on the pacific grit their teeth knowing the soldiers who shot at them now have grand kids that killed off their old factory jobs/careers and indoctrinated their grand kids into believing that their rusty death trap products are superior.
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Old 10-09-2014, 12:18 AM
 
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The difference between the U.S. and NK is NK has NO natural resources and back in the 1950s we actually WERE EXACTLY like these 4 steps. Comparing isolationist US to NK is not only mistaken, it's flat out uneducated.
Accepting your argument at face value, does applying principles that worked in 1950 work today, 75 years later? We might have to consider slightly different outcomes than were realized in a post-WW2 economic environment.
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Old 10-09-2014, 12:19 AM
 
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4.) Reform entitlements and welfare to reflect the new global, automated labor markets.
New member here. Could you elaborate on that statement? Thanks in advance.
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Old 10-09-2014, 12:21 AM
 
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Accepting your argument at face value, does applying principles that worked in 1950 work today, 75 years later? We might have to consider slightly different outcomes than were realized in a post-WW2 economic environment.
Perhaps the laws and regulations in place were part of the reason the world was that way or perhaps they enhanced it. Simply put those were better days.
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