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Old 10-28-2014, 09:51 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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She was living in an area where Ebola was rampant. She could have bought vegetables from a person who was actively infected. She could have drunk water from a person. At least that is what they thought. It's not unreasonable to surmise there were many contacts.
t h

Sure - not "unreasonable," but now you are leaving the realm of science and making suppositions about what might have happened. We don't know.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Do you find that logic persuasive? Does the flu have a mortality rate of 50-70 percent?
Ebola has a fatality rate of 0% in Americans treated in the US.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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The CDC's own guidelines now say ebola is droplet.
They are talking about during procedures such as intubation and bronchoscopy for example.

If performing AGPs, use a combination of measures to reduce exposures from aerosol-generating procedures when performed on Ebola HF patients.
Visitors should not be present during aerosol-generating procedures.
Limiting the number of HCP present during the procedure to only those essential for patient-care and support.
Conduct the procedures in a private room and ideally in an Airborne Infection Isolation Room (AIIR) when feasible. Room doors should be kept closed during the procedure except when entering or leaving the room, and entry and exit should be minimized during and shortly after the procedure.
HCP should wear appropriate PPE during aerosol generating procedures.
Conduct environmental surface cleaning following procedures (see section below on environmental infection control).
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Ebola has a fatality rate of 0% in Americans treated in the US.
You forgot Duncan.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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t h

Sure - not "unreasonable," but now you are leaving the realm of science and making suppositions about what might have happened. We don't know.
No it's community aquired. That is a medical diagnosis for many illness esp. pneumonia. The vector is unknown but it is present in the environment.

Community-acquired pneumonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Nancy Writebol did not have direct contact with patients in Liberia and contracted the disease. She doesn't know how.
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The CDC's own guidelines now say ebola is droplet.
Ms. Writebol did not have direct patient contact, but she did assist doctors in removing their protective gear. That is probably how she got infected.

CDC has said Ebola may be transmitted by droplets all along. There is no now to it. It is not transmitted just through the air like measles, though.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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You forgot Duncan.
Of those who were found to be symptomatic early the incidence of recover is 100%
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:57 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Ebola has a fatality rate of 0% in Americans treated in the US.
Thank God - but I'm also a man of science - and this is an extremely small sample size. One could also say it has a mortality rate of 100% of liberians treated in the US.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Let us not debate points where peoples lives are concerned. While I think it wise to be careful Ms. Wilcox is within her rights to refuse as long as she is asymptomatic. That is how the law is currently written. Good night all. Be well.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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I thought you would be bright enough to find a quarantine for contact not airborne. Guess not. It makes a difference in kind and meaning. Contagion is something sufficient to sway a court. Since you can't I will.

Notable isolations aka quarantines are though out history enforced by the US government when the risk of causal infection is real and a perceived (science definition of perceived). In all of these cases since the late 1890s was the principle of were people at risk. TB sanitariums were notable where thousands of persons were taken from their homes ofttimes to other states. Legionella source unknown as the last time a series of government laws were enforced to counteract the spread of an unknown bacteria (legionella). Turned out it was in air conditions water supply but no one knew so people were isolated. SARS, H1N5 all contagious by droplet or airborne.

There is not substantial proof that Ebola is a similar contagious profile and the vector is the infected patents. So by all means trust in the courts right or wrong, be my guest. And while you are throwing the words "you don't get it" and "confused" around you might want to brush up on your history before spouting off nonsense.
Would you agree then, that, if the Ebola virus was capable of spreading airborne, that it would warrant quarantine? If communicable as airborne it would be very easy to spread to many people. Can anyone say for sure that the Ebola Virus could never morph into an airborne contagion? If it did, how long would it take to verify that it had indeed made that change and how many people might catch it before it was confirmed?
Do we risk it getting out of control, much like it seems to be in West Africa, before we realize it has changed? Wouldn't it be prudent to error on the side of caution?
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