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Old 10-24-2014, 12:16 PM
 
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Seems Democrats are more interested in protecting terrorists and illegal aliens than they are in protecting Americans and legal citizens.

Dems block Cruz bill to strip U.S. citizenship from Islamic State defectors
Sen. Ted Cruz tried to get the Senate to consider a measure Thursday providing that any American who joins the fight with terrorist groups such as the Islamic State would immediately renounce their U.S. citizenship, but a Democratic senator objected, saying more time is necessary to weigh the significant constitutional issues it raises.

“It is unfortunate that Democratic senators chose to object to this to prevent this common-sense change in law, and I would note when it comes to the constitutional concerns, I don’t know if anyone in this Senate has been more vigorous or more consistent in terms of defending the constitutional rights of Americans that I have endeavored to be during my short tenure here,” he said. “I will yield to no one in passion for defending constitutional liberties … it is current law right now that if you go and join a foreign nation and take up arms against America, that act has long been recognized as constituting a constructive renunciation of United States citizenship.”
The Law of Treason
From the Constitution Society. The historic background of the treason clause in the Constitution.
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Old 10-24-2014, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Dems need to stop appeasing dregs for votes! If a person leaves the country to actually kill for an ideology, they need to lose their citizenship INSTANTLY!

THEN Obama can send a drone to take them out without breaking the law!
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:21 PM
 
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Naw, no need, try them for treason and 38. to the back of the head.

People try to make simple things complex.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:23 PM
 
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So if a isis american reaquests a mail in ballot to be mailed to iraq he can still vote. All the while fighting against our interests.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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"Democrats block bill by Sen. Ted Cruz that would make it impossible to bring treason charges against Americans who join ISIS"
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:27 PM
 
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hassan is still an American...

Even after requesting to become part of isis......
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:33 PM
 
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From the article...

Sen. Mazie Hirono, Hawaii Democrat, objected, saying the bill has not been brought before the Senate Judiciary Committee and it affects “fundamental constitutional rights, which should be given the full deliberation of the Senate.”

“Legislation that grants the government the ability to strip citizenship from Americans is a serious matter, raising significant constitutional issues,” she said.


Now I am exactly OK with the response... IF there was a timetable put in play for research and a revote... you know a week or two.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Why would this bill be needed? Why is existing law inadequate? I think that running this bill through the judiciary committee and hashing out the issues there is a *much* better idea than passing something in haste and repenting at leisure. Surely the patriot act would have benefited from taking a deep breath and thinking things through.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The Washington Times article mentions that a similar measure was introduced in 2010 by Joe Lieberman and Scott Brown, but failed to mention that Republicans had objected. So they have changed their minds?

"Several Republican officials, though, were skeptical of the idea. Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the Republican leader, questioned the constitutionality of the proposal.

“If they are a U.S. citizen, until they are convicted of some crime, I don’t see how you would attempt to take their citizenship away,” Mr. Boehner said. “That would be pretty difficult under the U.S. Constitution.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/wo...ghts.html?_r=0
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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It's pretty obvious to anyone who thinks about it for more than two seconds that there are some problems with the idea. Specifically, the idea that the government can do whatever it wants to anyone regardless of constitutional protections by just declaring that the victim isn't a citizen anymore for [arbitrary cause of the day].
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