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Old 11-20-2014, 08:09 AM
 
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To deter terrorist activity instead of just using military actions on Gaza?

If HAMAS is being non-violent, Israel to give more autonomy and trust to HAMAS to bring in whatever they want into Gaza from Egypt

And if they demonstrate the opposite, then more surveillance on Gaza

Or try it one time and see if the trust can be unbreached and if it is breached then HAMAS will have to step down or it will be like now

 
Old 11-20-2014, 09:23 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Lets start off with the fact that there are no Jews in the Gaza Strip. Hamas is the controlling faction by coup and not by election. Over 100 trucks deliver products to the Gaza Strip nearly daily from Israel. There are nearly a dozen electrical lines that enter the Strip in which the power has never been cut off. Israel allows in numerous tankers of diesel into the Strip and instead of using it in their power plant, they sell it to car owners (it seems that having petrol for ones car is more important than for ones home). As to what comes in from Egypt, that's between the Gaza Strip and Egypt and has nothing to do with Israel. Egypt doesn't trust them either as they are currently bulldozing everything within 1 km of their border with them and the border is now closed most of the time. A high majority of altercations with Jews have been Hamas and not Fatah. But in the case of the West Bank it's difficult to separate one from the other.

fwiw
Police Seize Weapons Shipment Headed for Jerusalem - Defense/Security - News - Arutz Sheva
Gaza: Hamas Fires Fourth 'Test' Rocket in Two Days - Defense/Security - News - Arutz Sheva

Yet:
Netanyahu: No Place For Discrimination - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva


And if you think either Hamas or Fatah will ever step down, just look up when the last elections were and keep in mind they were four year terms.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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When Hamas is nonviolent, they're just planning their next violence.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 02:36 PM
 
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Hamas ideology is to struggle with Israel through violence, not to make peace.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 03:13 PM
 
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Perhaps why doesn't Hamas stop the terror during actual talks to show good faith or even help talks. Hamas has many factions and it shows lack of control. It means no peace likely.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 08:02 PM
 
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sure

and why don't we all send ISIS, Al Quaida and Boko Haram some Godiva?
 
Old 11-20-2014, 08:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ericthebean View Post
To deter terrorist activity instead of just using military actions on Gaza?

If HAMAS is being non-violent, Israel to give more autonomy and trust to HAMAS to bring in whatever they want into Gaza from Egypt

And if they demonstrate the opposite, then more surveillance on Gaza

Or try it one time and see if the trust can be unbreached and if it is breached then HAMAS will have to step down or it will be like now
HAMAS is never non-violent and has never had "good behavior".
 
Old 11-20-2014, 08:37 PM
 
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To deter terrorist activity instead of just using military actions on Gaza?

If HAMAS is being non-violent, Israel to give more autonomy and trust to HAMAS to bring in whatever they want into Gaza from Egypt

And if they demonstrate the opposite, then more surveillance on Gaza

Or try it one time and see if the trust can be unbreached and if it is breached then HAMAS will have to step down or it will be like now
Fatah

Probably because Hamas is never at peace, it's just re-loading.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 08:51 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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HAMAS is never non-violent and has never had "good behavior".
In relation to Israel you are correct. In relation to a majority of the people that live in the Gaza Strip it's a different story.
 
Old 11-21-2014, 05:42 AM
 
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To deter terrorist activity instead of just using military actions on Gaza?

If HAMAS is being non-violent, Israel to give more autonomy and trust to HAMAS to bring in whatever they want into Gaza from Egypt

And if they demonstrate the opposite, then more surveillance on Gaza

Or try it one time and see if the trust can be unbreached and if it is breached then HAMAS will have to step down or it will be like now
What a crazy suggestion! Obviously one made based on lack of knowledge of history. Hamas is bent on the destruction of Israel and every time Israel has given more autonomy or trust, Hamas always eventually hurts Israelis and Israel more.
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