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Old 12-08-2014, 10:45 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What law has the president made through executive order?

Changing law with executive order is in fact making law, as a dictator, by passing the checks and balances put into our system, so there is no chance of a dictator in this nation. The 2nd amendment was placed there to say if you do, we will use death to correct it. Give me liberty or give me death, has a meaning man lives by.
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Old 12-08-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What's next for the good people of Kennesaw, banning those pesky Christ killing Jews? What about those no God Chinese? Those heretics who believe in the Angel Moroni? Who's next?

Who ever the established community wish to let be apart of their community. Anything else will bring resentment and certain conflict.
You have not read the Georgia STATE Constitution, concerning religious freedom, have you?
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Old 12-08-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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There's 15 pages of them now. Find your own. I'm not interested in pointing out the obvious to you. I understand that you have problems identifying that which is very clear, but unfortunately for you it's not my responsibility to bring you up to speed.
In other words, you can't identify a single racist quote to backup your baseless claims of racism. How libelous.
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Old 12-08-2014, 11:06 AM
 
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I thought it said the city owned the space but it appears this was a variance issue. In that case, why is the city required to grant a variance? They are usually discretionary. It would look like favoritism to islam. Now that is something unconstitutional.
Variances are not discretionary. Legally, variances should only be granted if the law in question creates hardship for the variance applicant. They can be granted with conditions to mitigate the noncompliance that created the need for the variance request (like off-site parking, limiting hours of operations, and such), but they are not discretionary.

Anyway, the federal government decided back in 2000 that religious organizations shouldn't be overly burdened with local zoning regulations. So when this group sues and wins, the good people of Kennesaw, GA can thank Orrin Hatch for their new storefront mosque.

Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000
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Old 12-08-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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What law has the president made through executive order?
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Not a single one. Some people refuse to see objective reality, in favor of their own subjective one.
Well, to answer the question: The President himself, recently speaking to a group of Latinos who wanted quicker action on amnesty (and probably never expecting to be heard outside the group) said that he has "just taken action to change the law".

The President can't change law. "Changing law" is the same as making NEW law.
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Old 12-08-2014, 11:27 AM
 
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Who ever the established community wish to let be apart of their community. Anything else will bring resentment and certain conflict.
You have not read the Georgia STATE Constitution, concerning religious freedom, have you?
They can't discriminate against people based on religion.

The Georgia Constitution gives them leeway to discriminate based on the potential for violence and conflict, however, in order to exercise such discrimination, they must be able to PROVE that potential for violence and conflict. It's doubtful the people of Kennesaw can proffer any PROOF that the people wishing to build and belong to this mosque pose a violent threat to the community.

I know, it's a step that Islam-haters blithely ignore. But Constitutionally, you can't discriminate unless you can legally prove that your discrimination is well-founded.
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Old 12-08-2014, 11:44 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Variances are not discretionary. Legally, variances should only be granted if the law in question creates hardship for the variance applicant. They can be granted with conditions to mitigate the noncompliance that created the need for the variance request (like off-site parking, limiting hours of operations, and such), but they are not discretionary.

Anyway, the federal government decided back in 2000 that religious organizations shouldn't be overly burdened with local zoning regulations. So when this group sues and wins, the good people of Kennesaw, GA can thank Orrin Hatch for their new storefront mosque.

Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000
Yes, I meant that it's discretionary as in there is usually no set of rules that requires them to grant a variance if an applicant does xyz. It's typically a case by case evaluation. I am not familiar with the federal law cited but I have never in my life seen a house of worship in a mall or any other place that looks like it's zoned purely retail.
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Old 12-08-2014, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Changing law with executive order is in fact making law, as a dictator, by passing the checks and balances put into our system, so there is no chance of a dictator in this nation. The 2nd amendment was placed there to say if you do, we will use death to correct it. Give me liberty or give me death, has a meaning man lives by.
No that isn't the same thing. That is like saying milk and orange juice are the same thing because they are both liquids.

What this has to do with the 2nd Amendment is beyond me, maybe you can explain your reasoning for that part.
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Old 12-08-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Well, to answer the question: The President himself, recently speaking to a group of Latinos who wanted quicker action on amnesty (and probably never expecting to be heard outside the group) said that he has "just taken action to change the law".

The President can't change law. "Changing law" is the same as making NEW law.
False, he never changed a law that cannot simply be undone by the next president. All the president can do with an executive order is temporary actions.
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Old 12-08-2014, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Yes, I meant that it's discretionary as in there is usually no set of rules that requires them to grant a variance if an applicant does xyz. It's typically a case by case evaluation. I am not familiar with the federal law cited but I have never in my life seen a house of worship in a mall or any other place that looks like it's zoned purely retail.
When my grandparents' church was getting started, while building their congregation, and saving to build their own building, they held services in a vacant storefront in a shopping plaza.
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