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Old 12-08-2014, 02:54 PM
 
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Good- keep them there with all those other "nice people".

Most "nice people" do not decapitate, mutilate, and bury alive others with different religious or political views.

I find these posts HILARIOUS, as liberals always claim that they are not Muslim apologists, yet look on this thread who is supporting Muslims and saying what "nice people" they are- liberals.

Libs actually LOVE ISLAM, as it is a foil to Christianity. It is simply an awkward alliance, as libs find it hard to rationalize lynching gays, stoning adulterers, and "honor killings" for "naughty" females.
LMAO ...please.

Christianity like Islam foils itself.

Come on...don't make this so easy.
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Old 12-08-2014, 02:56 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Kennesaw has learned from europes mistake.
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:04 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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So the separation of state and church suddenly evaporated ? Lol !!

So the First Amendment is a religious Amendment ?
As I said, (and if you study some history and the Constitution you should know this) Colonial America was made up of people who left England for religious Liberty. They were Christians (Puritans and others) who were being persecuted for their "faith" (the Puritans were called that because they wished to "purify" the Church of England, which was more like the Catholic Church — remember the Reformation?). The Church of England was the Official Church, and the only recognized church.

Realize, the so-called "separation of church and state" is a complete myth in the context it is used today. The First Amendment was only to prevent the establishment of an official Church. Nowhere in any founding document is the phrase "separation of church and state" found.

The Founders, who were primarily Calvinist Christians, wanted to guard against the government "establishing" one "sect" (Episcopal, Methodist, Baptist, what have you) as the one and only officially recognized Church. Hence, the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." It was to protect the rights of the Church to practice their religion without persecution.

This is not to say that it didn't protect other religions too.

However, the building of a Mosque raises concerns because of the history (especially recent) of Islam. And Islam is more of a cult, than it is a religion (and books have been written about this, one being, "The Kingdom of the Cults", by Dr. Walter Martin who noted this about Islam - he was murdered, by the way, most likely the victim Islamic Jihadists).

Nobody wants a Mosque in their neighborhood. This is totally understandable, and it is the right of a city to approve or disapprove permits for such buildings.

Islam began as a cult, and it is still a cult.
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:10 PM
 
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This is not to say that it didn't protect other religions too.

However, the building of a Mosque raises concerns because of the history (especially recent) of Islam. And Islam is more of a cult, than it is a religion (and books have been written about this, one being, "The Kingdom of the Cults", by Dr. Walter Martin who noted this about Islam - he was murdered, by the way, most likely the victim Islamic Jihadists).

Nobody wants a Mosque in their neighborhood. This is totally understandable, and it is the right of a city to approve or disapprove permits for such buildings.

Islam began as a cult, and it is still a cult.
Is one's religion and religious belief defined by that person, or by government?
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:14 PM
 
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With cause.... Threats going both ways, seems to have a cause and effect.
Irrelevant.

Do the Muslims who want to build this mosque pose a threat? Are they violent?
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Islam began as a cult, and it is still a cult.


Merriam-Webster's definition of cult: "a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous"


According to the Pew Research Center, Islam represents 23.2% of the global population, compared to 31.5% represented by Christianity. For further comparison, Judaism represents 0.2%. So, as funny as all of this nonsense is (and I am thoroughly enjoying this thread!), Islam is not a cult. Sorry, Christians.
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:16 PM
 
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As I said, (and if you study some history and the Constitution you should know this) Colonial America was made up of people who left England for religious Liberty. They were Christians (Puritans and others) who were being persecuted for their "faith" (the Puritans were called that because they wished to "purify" the Church of England, which was more like the Catholic Church — remember the Reformation?). The Church of England was the Official Church, and the only recognized church.

Realize, the so-called "separation of church and state" is a complete myth in the context it is used today. The First Amendment was only to prevent the establishment of an official Church. Nowhere in any founding document is the phrase "separation of church and state" found.

The Founders, who were primarily Calvinist Christians, wanted to guard against the government "establishing" one "sect" (Episcopal, Methodist, Baptist, what have you) as the one and only officially recognized Church. Hence, the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." It was to protect the rights of the Church to practice their religion without persecution.

This is not to say that it didn't protect other religions too.

However, the building of a Mosque raises concerns because of the history (especially recent) of Islam. And Islam is more of a cult, than it is a religion (and books have been written about this, one being, "The Kingdom of the Cults", by Dr. Walter Martin who noted this about Islam - he was murdered, by the way, most likely the victim Islamic Jihadists).

Nobody wants a Mosque in their neighborhood. This is totally understandable, and it is the right of a city to approve or disapprove permits for such buildings.

Islam began as a cult, and it is still a cult.
Every religion on Earth started as a cult...and they're all still cults. I don't know what separates a legitimate religion from a cult in your mind, but I've never been able to find out.

That's beside the whole point anyway. Americans have a right to join a cult.
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:31 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I hope they sue and lose. We already have enough Religous wackos, why should we allow in more!
To an atheist, anyone who practices any religion is a "whacko."
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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Every religion on Earth started as a cult...and they're all still cults. I don't know what separates a legitimate religion from a cult in your mind, but I've never been able to find out.

That's beside the whole point anyway. Americans have a right to join a cult.
Yep they sure do... but I sure don't want the Branch Davidians or the Manson Family as next door neighbors.... Do you?
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:35 PM
 
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Yep they sure do... but I sure don't want the Branch Davidians or the Manson Family as next door neighbors.... Do you?
No. But I don't mind Muslims as neighbors. Or Christians. Or Jewish people. Or atheists. Or Buddhists. People who mind their business and freely practice their religion are fine with me.
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