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So according to your statement, people relate to you based on the way you dress, speak, and act, and not the color of your skin. But then you still accuse these people of racism. That doesn't make much sense.
of course it doesn't.
but when you've made phantasms of 'racism' the axis around which your world revolves, common sense must often be discarded
No, damnit, what is wrong with you? It wasn't about some b.s. musical chairs, I WORKED MY ASS OFF FOR THIS.
You go on and keep making your excuses. You are not one who wants to succeed, obviously. Enjoy continuing to be held down by your excuses, that you label "big corporations". It's you, Indentured Servant...what a fitting name...it's YOU holding you down.
I have to consider something. Everyone is talking about "the Black community". There is more than one segment of the Black population. Crime,violence, disregard for education, self-destruction, the stuff that is going on in Ferguson, one common denominator: Underclass behavior. I've been saying it over and over and only a few people seem to get it. There is a segment of the Black population embracing underclass behavior. We know who that segment is. The Black people who have their stuff together, who are being diligent, hardworking people, they aren't the ones contributing to the problems. The underclass is doing this. A better question is this: What is up with the underclass segment of the Black population?
Every so often, you make so much sense, I do have to agree with you. I understand what your saying, because our best friends are black. I get it. They want the same damn things in life, that I do for my family, no more no less. And worked their ass off to get to where they are today.
They never held any resentment ever, as the husband told me, that is a cop-out. There kids never got into trouble, and believed in educating themselves, to make their life better. They do not believe in Crime, violence, ignorant behavior of any kind, not believing in education, they hate black people who self-destruct by their own means. I get it, we should talk about these people, but then again, you know why we don't.
Going to tell you, he cannot stand any black person who blames their problems in life on the white guy. He says some of these people will hold onto a excuse, and use that to self destruct holding themselves back.
He is a big wig at one of the major Casinos in Vegas, with a lucrative job title, and worked his way up the ladder. Starting at the bottom, but proved himself by hard long hours. Hate to say this, but this is him, he says any one with a brain can use it, but many decide to lose it instead, and I do get him.
The only person who can make a better life for you, is you. Yes it takes hard work, and long hours, but in the end worth it.
And they are not the only black friends of ours who are very successful in life, who said life is easy!
I have often thought that, IF you are a member of a group that has suffered with a stereotype (or several of them), it behooves YOU (and every other member of your group), to do absolutely EVERYTHING in your power to negate that (or those) stereotype(s)!
No one else can or should do it for you. That stereotype will be hung around your neck until YOU and all the others in your group PROVE it to be false!
The rest of the world can not and will not do it for you. The rest of the world may forgive a few individuals that perpetuate the stereotype. They will NOT forgive whole cities and towns that perpetuate it!
If YOU will not solve the problems, they will never be solved.
It will take time, and a LOT of work. Are YOU up to the challenge?
Look...there are people in the third world who work their azz off 3 times harder than you and remain dirt poor. If we opened up our nation to all comers from all over the world and everyone worked their azz off like you....do you think they could all live the American dream of middle class? There is NOT infinite opportunity!!!
Right now, as we speak, there is a finite demand for engineers, doctors, lawyers, IT professionals, etc. What would happen if we flood the labor pool with educated people, when the only 27-30% of the jobs in the economy require post secondary education? If 70% of the people in the labor force hold at least a bachelors degree and only 27% of the jobs require a college degree then education is oversupplied and the value and ability of an education to produce higher earnings will decrease. Again, the musical chairs analogy.
What you do not seem to understand is that SCARCITY is what increases value. Its the fact that most people are NOT educated that keeps those who are educated making the bigger bucks. Under supplying the educated, relative to the demand for the educated in the economy, creates a premium for the educated. Employers are likely to pay more to try to keep an educated person from leaving because they cannot find a replacement. A shortage means that there is not enough to go around so Employers will attempt to entice workers from other companies by offering them more money to come to their company. That is how it works. That is why if you are in a field that is in high demand and their is a shortage of people who can do what you do, you increase your earnings by job hopping.
Now, on the other hand, if you are in a field that is oversupplied, there is downward wage pressures. If a company can easily find a replacement for your labor....you are going to be paid as little as possible because you have no leverage to ask for more money. If you threaten to leave the employer will say "Bye. We have 100 people wanting your job right now and who are willing to work for less than what you make". The employer might also note that your job will soon be replaced by artificial intelligence or automation anyway.
Its about the laws of SUPPLY AND DEMAND! Creating supply does NOT create demand. Creating a supply of hard workers and educated people DOES NOT CREATE DEMAND. Once demand is filled....ITS FILLED and the excess labor will have no place to go. If that excess labor goes out and gets educated and works hard.....the only thing they can do is take another persons spot...and then the other person becomes the excess labor.
If a person owns a company...what keeps them from hiring an unlimited amount of people? They can only hire what they can afford and what there is demand for. The same is true for the overall economy. There is not infinite opportunity and their is certainly not infinite opportunity to make a "good livable wage"....regardless of how hard everyone works or how educated they become.
The dog fight is for the available opportunities where hard work and education can get you a spot.....but there is NOT such a spot for everyone who works just as hard and becomes just as educated.
You have no idea how to even debate. All you want to do is throw out a bunch of excuses and whine about how you can't succeed.
I did not say, "If you try really hard in a third world country, you will find success". I discussed that THIS COUNTRY is the country of opportunity, and there is NO DAMN REASON that you can't find success other than your own sniveling and whining about how hard it is.
There's been a lot of protests lately concerning what happened in Ferguson and such. Of course all these things are just the results of black people statistically being near the bottom. All the protests, petitions, and government programs/actions are appreciated, but the truth is black people are the only ones that can cause real change in our community. The main reason is this....
No one will ever want to see black people doing well more than a black person. No matter how others are for wanting to see racial harmony, your primary care is toward those who look like you. This is proven by the way, just by looking at the movie industry. (And this is going to come across as comical and you can laugh to this reference, but it is definitely the truth) Think about it, your most successful movies usually star main actors who are white. Why is that? It's because of course, the majority of the US is white, and I imagine most movie goers are white as well. White people aren't going to want to see black main actors, because it would be hard to relate. Now there are some black actors that could pull off a successful movie, also there are popular movie series that could sport having a black main actor, yet the biggest movies on average all have white main actors. In danger of being politically correct, most black movies are what I call "ghetto fabulous" movies. Especially if the whole cast is black. It will sport some sappy romance crap, but in a stereotypical hip way. A lot of Tyler Perry's movies are examples of this. Of course I'm a fan of some of his movies, and he did a very underrated movie in "Alex Cross". One of the rare action/thriller movies that sport a black main actor, being Tyler Perry himself. Yet all in all, if it's movie that supports a mostly black cast, it's a sappy romance or a comedy movie. None of those movies really draws in the big bucks, because white people (the main demographic in the US) can't relate.
Now I'm a black man. I imagine a movie like the "Hunger Games" is very successful, as much as it's been advertised. I never seen all of the first movie of the series, it could be good, I've been enticed to watch it every time it comes on tv. However, when it first came out, I couldn't care less about watching that movie. Of course I imagine this movie is geared more towards women, but it does have some action in it, so men wouldn't mind watching it. Yet because it has white main actors, it doesn't attract black people all that much. (It also come across as having more of a British feel to it as well. I don't know if this movie was made in England, I'm too lazy to look that up right now) What if the "Hunger Games" had black main actors? I imagine more black people would be attracted to the film, and less white people. The same film, nothing else changed, yet less interest among white people. This is also the same with all people. If the "Hunger Games" had Asian main characters, more Asian people would be attracted to it, while other groups not so much. So this is my point. No other ethnicity will care about that ethnicity, more than that ethnicity. This includes everything from the movie example I just gave, all the way down to that community's problems.
Getting back to serious talk, I'm don't want to segregate ourselves or anything like that, but if black people really wanted change in the community, we need to do it ourselves. Stop all this protesting in the streets, hoping someone will hear your cries. The power to get things done is right there in the black community. Black people have a buying power of 1-2 trillion dollars a year depending on where you get your stats. That is a heck of a lot of money, a heck of a lot. I mentioned in the past about reparations, no amount of reparation money would ever come 5% close to that. We live in a capitalist society. The biggest producer of jobs are private own companies. Black people have the highest unemployment rate (maybe native americans have it higher, but they chose that for themselves by staying on the reservations. Those off it are doing pretty good). You don't think we could take some money out of our spending power, instead of spending it all at Wal-Mart and some other community's business, and start us up some businesses? Start us up some distribution companies? Start us up some manufacturing companies? Start us up some technology companies? Come on man! We can get stuff done in this day and age, and never have to ask those outside the community who rightfully tend to their own problems for anything. Let me know everyone's thoughts.
One other note. To those outside the black community who voice your opinion on injustices against black people, the biggest thing you could do instead is encourage black people to start businesses. That's the one thing that will create job opportunity. Tell us to put up centers in black communities that can train the younger generation in skilled work. With a spending power of 1-2 trillion dollars a year? You don't think black people can do stuff on our own? Help us, help ourselves. That's my message. Other than that, people outside the black community can't help us.
Heavenese good points but some points are missing. Instead of saying those who rioted, looted and burned businesses down blacks outside of Ferguson think they did the right thing. How do you think that is viewed by others.
Democrats constantly tell us that it's too hard for blacks to get a simple voter ID, blacks jump on board with it. If they think that its too hard to do something so simple how in the hell can they do the hard stuff.
Why do others have to encourage blacks to start "you didn't build that" businesses? Change is hard, it's uncomfortable, scary. I've met negative people and no matter what you tell them they are convinced they can't.
Second, if this is how people act when they get upset why "build that" if it might get burned down? No worries, I built a business and it seems that Democrats are trying to burn it down so if pissed off neighbors don't burn it down, government will.
But I get what you are saying. You can't change people. Maybe it's time to let those who want to be negative and want to play the victim behind and move on.
Heavenese good points but some points are missing. Instead of saying those who rioted, looted and burned businesses down blacks outside of Ferguson think they did the right thing. How do you think that is viewed by others.
Democrats constantly tell us that it's too hard for blacks to get a simple voter ID, blacks jump on board with it. If they think that its too hard to do something so simple how in the hell can they do the hard stuff.
Why do others have to encourage blacks to start "you didn't build that" businesses? Change is hard, it's uncomfortable, scary. I've met negative people and no matter what you tell them they are convinced they can't.
Second, if this is how people act when they get upset why "build that" if it might get burned down? No worries, I built a business and it seems that Democrats are trying to burn it down so if pissed off neighbors don't burn it down, government will.
But I get what you are saying. You can't change people. Maybe it's time to let those who want to be negative and want to play the victim behind and move on.
There's been a lot of protests lately concerning what happened in Ferguson and such. Of course all these things are just the results of black people statistically being near the bottom. All the protests, petitions, and government programs/actions are appreciated, but the truth is black people are the only ones that can cause real change in our community. The main reason is this....
No one will ever want to see black people doing well more than a black person. No matter how others are for wanting to see racial harmony, your primary care is toward those who look like you. This is proven by the way, just by looking at the movie industry. (And this is going to come across as comical and you can laugh to this reference, but it is definitely the truth) Think about it, your most successful movies usually star main actors who are white. Why is that? It's because of course, the majority of the US is white, and I imagine most movie goers are white as well. White people aren't going to want to see black main actors, because it would be hard to relate. Now there are some black actors that could pull off a successful movie, also there are popular movie series that could sport having a black main actor, yet the biggest movies on average all have white main actors. In danger of being politically correct, most black movies are what I call "ghetto fabulous" movies. Especially if the whole cast is black. It will sport some sappy romance crap, but in a stereotypical hip way. A lot of Tyler Perry's movies are examples of this. Of course I'm a fan of some of his movies, and he did a very underrated movie in "Alex Cross". One of the rare action/thriller movies that sport a black main actor, being Tyler Perry himself. Yet all in all, if it's movie that supports a mostly black cast, it's a sappy romance or a comedy movie. None of those movies really draws in the big bucks, because white people (the main demographic in the US) can't relate.
Now I'm a black man. I imagine a movie like the "Hunger Games" is very successful, as much as it's been advertised. I never seen all of the first movie of the series, it could be good, I've been enticed to watch it every time it comes on tv. However, when it first came out, I couldn't care less about watching that movie. Of course I imagine this movie is geared more towards women, but it does have some action in it, so men wouldn't mind watching it. Yet because it has white main actors, it doesn't attract black people all that much. (It also come across as having more of a British feel to it as well. I don't know if this movie was made in England, I'm too lazy to look that up right now) What if the "Hunger Games" had black main actors? I imagine more black people would be attracted to the film, and less white people. The same film, nothing else changed, yet less interest among white people. This is also the same with all people. If the "Hunger Games" had Asian main characters, more Asian people would be attracted to it, while other groups not so much. So this is my point. No other ethnicity will care about that ethnicity, more than that ethnicity. This includes everything from the movie example I just gave, all the way down to that community's problems.
Getting back to serious talk, I'm don't want to segregate ourselves or anything like that, but if black people really wanted change in the community, we need to do it ourselves. Stop all this protesting in the streets, hoping someone will hear your cries. The power to get things done is right there in the black community. Black people have a buying power of 1-2 trillion dollars a year depending on where you get your stats. That is a heck of a lot of money, a heck of a lot. I mentioned in the past about reparations, no amount of reparation money would ever come 5% close to that. We live in a capitalist society. The biggest producer of jobs are private own companies. Black people have the highest unemployment rate (maybe native americans have it higher, but they chose that for themselves by staying on the reservations. Those off it are doing pretty good). You don't think we could take some money out of our spending power, instead of spending it all at Wal-Mart and some other community's business, and start us up some businesses? Start us up some distribution companies? Start us up some manufacturing companies? Start us up some technology companies? Come on man! We can get stuff done in this day and age, and never have to ask those outside the community who rightfully tend to their own problems for anything. Let me know everyone's thoughts.
One other note. To those outside the black community who voice your opinion on injustices against black people, the biggest thing you could do instead is encourage black people to start businesses. That's the one thing that will create job opportunity. Tell us to put up centers in black communities that can train the younger generation in skilled work. With a spending power of 1-2 trillion dollars a year? You don't think black people can do stuff on our own? Help us, help ourselves. That's my message. Other than that, people outside the black community can't help us.
Pretty much a valid decent post which is spot on. Think we all need to view each other as people not a color, that is the way I was brought up.
Any one could preach anything cushiony and comfy that blacks want to hear. But if the message does not sink in, it is useless. To many hold onto hate and negativity, which revolves around, a never ending life of chasos and crime.
I know many who are very successful, they did not need help from anyone but themselves, not even other blacks. But their family. You yourself know what is said in many black families, I have been told by my friends, and they wanted change for their families. And to change the cycle, of negativity, and whites hold us back, they owe us.
People can say what ever message you want to hear. But if no one is hearing it is useless. Why don't those who seem to be everywhere a negative story is, who preach and cause hate, not even realizing it. Start centers, for young black teens. Talk about education. Too much negativity within the black communities. Understand how some feel there is no way out for them. But that is where true black leadership can make a difference, with the right words and encouraging youth, instead of preaching hatred, because that is what they do. They show up, but what have they done, to help in communities like Chicago, where blacks are destroying each other.
I have often thought that, IF you are a member of a group that has suffered with a stereotype (or several of them), it behooves YOU (and every other member of your group), to do absolutely EVERYTHING in your power to negate that (or those) stereotype(s)!
No one else can or should do it for you. That stereotype will be hung around your neck until YOU and all the others in your group PROVE it to be false!
The rest of the world can not and will not do it for you. The rest of the world may forgive a few individuals that perpetuate the stereotype. They will NOT forgive whole cities and towns that perpetuate it!
If YOU will not solve the problems, they will never be solved.
It will take time, and a LOT of work. Are YOU up to the challenge?
Rough to say but you're right. Tho even many of the most racist anglo white people seem to take their hate down a few notches if dealing with educated Black people from Africa and especially England. That British accent does command respect.
Every so often, you make so much sense, I do have to agree with you. I understand what your saying, because our best friends are black. I get it. They want the same damn things in life, that I do for my family, no more no less. And worked their ass off to get to where they are today.
They never held any resentment ever, as the husband told me, that is a cop-out. There kids never got into trouble, and believed in educating themselves, to make their life better. They do not believe in Crime, violence, ignorant behavior of any kind, not believing in education, they hate black people who self-destruct by their own means. I get it, we should talk about these people, but then again, you know why we don't.
Going to tell you, he cannot stand any black person who blames their problems in life on the white guy. He says some of these people will hold onto a excuse, and use that to self destruct holding themselves back.
He is a big wig at one of the major Casinos in Vegas, with a lucrative job title, and worked his way up the ladder. Starting at the bottom, but proved himself by hard long hours. Hate to say this, but this is him, he says any one with a brain can use it, but many decide to lose it instead, and I do get him.
The only person who can make a better life for you, is you. Yes it takes hard work, and long hours, but in the end worth it.
And they are not the only black friends of ours who are very successful in life, who said life is easy!
I do what I can. I was trying to speak from a point of reason and logic, rather than a point of histrionics, which is what I've seen so much of here.
The man you are speaking of wants nothing to do with the underclass types who cause problems. And there are more Black people who think this way than one would ever consider. Proof of that is that there are many Blacks who flee from such persons. There are many Black people who work had, who are doing for themselves. Sadly, those are not the persons many people will talk about. The underclass segment of the Black population gets alot of attention, and for all the wrong reasons. As someone of middle class background, it is disturbing because in the underclass types getting so much attention, those who are actually being diligent, being good citizens get ignored relative to the very worst.
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Think about it, your most successful movies usually star main actors who are white. Why is that? It's because of course, the majority of the US is white, and I imagine most movie goers are white as well. White people aren't going to want to see black main actors, because it would be hard to relate. Now there are some black actors that could pull off a successful movie, also there are popular movie series that could sport having a black main actor, yet the biggest movies on average all have white main actors. In danger of being politically correct, most black movies are what I call "ghetto fabulous" movies. Especially if the whole cast is black. It will sport some sappy romance crap, but in a stereotypical hip way. A lot of Tyler Perry's movies are examples of this. Of course I'm a fan of some of his movies, and he did a very underrated movie in "Alex Cross". One of the rare action/thriller movies that sport a black main actor, being Tyler Perry himself. Yet all in all, if it's movie that supports a mostly black cast, it's a sappy romance or a comedy movie. None of those movies really draws in the big bucks, because white people (the main demographic in the US) can't relate.
