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Just label someone into a corner. Is it my pro-life stance that makes me a lefty? My desire to see a balanced budget? Being against ignoring the millions who came here illegally?
So tell me. (As has been pointed out over and over the coroner said he died from a compressed throat.
Where people mess up is this is not a black or white issue. Its an issue with an out of control government and justice system.
The story above about the guy killed in the movie theater was discussed in many places with few if any believing justice was served. Maybe the protests should have started earlier but just because they weren't isn't a reason to never start them. They are way past due.
Those with the proper connections or in the right place can get away with nearly anything. How many Wall Street types went to jail for their crimes? Not a one, but we are going to go across town and arrest a guy for selling loose cigarettes?
Are you really not able to see something wrong there?
So why don't you think that the senior police officer in charge did NOT stop what was going on?
Here is the deal. History has consequences upon the present. Do you ever wonder why the entity with a history of not paying their bills on time or defaulting on loans cannot get credit relative to someone without such a bad history? Is it a double standard that the entity with a bad credit history has trouble getting credit relative an entity without such a bad credit history? Do you know the 400 year history of whites in this nation vis-à-vis black people?
If you were felled by a heart attack in the past, but pulled though, but have suffered from a heart condition sense, you will react to CHEST PAINS differently than one who has had no history of heart problems. Let’s say that the black collective have had heart attacks, metaphorically, while the white collective have no history of being felled by it. Would it therefore be understandable that the black collective reacts differently to chest pains than the white collective? Again, history produces consequences. Actions produce reactions. Historical acts produce contemporary reactions.
One does not have to understand, but not understanding does not detract from something being true. The TRUTH is that the empirical record shows that the existential economic and physical threat to black people in this land has COME FROM WHITE PEOPLE and RACISM. Whites have been our “heart problems” that have caused our heart attacks in the past. When a white police officer or a white person, therefore, attacks or kills a black person it registers as a “CHEST PAIN” to the black collective. Now, that chest pain often may not be a heart attack coming on…..but for an entity with a history of being felled by heart attacks……every chest pains is taken seriously. Others, who do not know or respect our history…..and who cannot empathize because they have no history of being felled by heart conditions…..cannot understand why blacks don’t just brush of the chest pains to be nothing more than common indigestion.
Finally, here is the other thing. Blacks do not have a history of being an existential threat to whites physically or economically. The white collective has for a long time feared the “black revolt” or ‘Payback” from what white society did or allowed to be done to blacks and parts of white society that built its wealth off the backs of black labor were economically threated by the quest for black freedom and equality, but the black collective in these lands HAVE NEVER oppressed the white collective economically or physically. There is no empirical evidence or history for it to make sense in the present that whites and blacks would react the same way in regards to inter-racial incidents between blacks and whites any more than it would make sense for an entity with a bad credit history to be given the same credit score that a person without the bad credit history. Again, history has consequences and honest and intelligent and open minded people know this.
So why don't you think that the senior police officer in charge did NOT stop what was going on?
I have no idea what was going on with them but if they saw an officer breaking policy and did nothing they should be fired. I was 100% against the prosecutor granting everyone else immunity but that is the big picture problem.
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The Sgt. in charge was a BLACK FEMALE.
Please explain how the incident is racist.
Please read my replies. I said it wasn't a black or white thing. It is about a justice system out of control.
Here is the deal. History has consequences upon the present. Do you ever wonder why the entity with a history of not paying their bills on time or defaulting on loans cannot get credit relative to someone without such a bad history? Is it a double standard that the entity with a bad credit history has trouble getting credit relative an entity without such a bad credit history? Do you know the 400 year history of whites in this nation vis-à-vis black people?
If you were felled by a heart attack in the past, but pulled though, but have suffered from a heart condition sense, you will react to CHEST PAINS differently than one who has had no history of heart problems. Let’s say that the black collective have had heart attacks, metaphorically, while the white collective have no history of being felled by it. Would it therefore be understandable that the black collective reacts differently to chest pains than the white collective? Again, history produces consequences. Actions produce reactions. Historical acts produce contemporary reactions.
One does not have to understand, but not understanding does not detract from something being true. The TRUTH is that the empirical record shows that the existential economic and physical threat to black people in this land has COME FROM WHITE PEOPLE and RACISM. Whites have been our “heart problems” that have caused our heart attacks in the past. When a white police officer or a white person, therefore, attacks or kills a black person it registers as a “CHEST PAIN” to the black collective. Now, that chest pain often may not be a heart attack coming on…..but for an entity with a history of being felled by heart attacks……every chest pains is taken seriously. Others, who do not know or respect our history…..and who cannot empathize because they have no history of being felled by heart conditions…..cannot understand why blacks don’t just brush of the chest pains to be nothing more than common indigestion.
Finally, here is the other thing. Blacks do not have a history of being an existential threat to whites physically or economically. The white collective has for a long time feared the “black revolt” or ‘Payback” from what white society did or allowed to be done to blacks and parts of white society that built its wealth off the backs of black labor were economically threated by the quest for black freedom and equality, but the black collective in these lands HAVE NEVER oppressed the white collective economically or physically. There is no empirical evidence or history for it to make sense in the present that whites and blacks would react the same way in regards to inter-racial incidents between blacks and whites any more than it would make sense for an entity with a bad credit history to be given the same credit score that a person without the bad credit history. Again, history has consequences and honest and intelligent and open minded people know this.
So, not all blacks are criminals because some are but all whites are racists because some are?
Here is the deal. History has consequences upon the present. Do you ever wonder why the entity with a history of not paying their bills on time or defaulting on loans cannot get credit relative to someone without such a bad history? Is it a double standard that the entity with a bad credit history has trouble getting credit relative an entity without such a bad credit history? Do you know the 400 year history of whites in this nation vis-à-vis black people?
If you were felled by a heart attack in the past, but pulled though, but have suffered from a heart condition sense, you will react to CHEST PAINS differently than one who has had no history of heart problems. Let’s say that the black collective have had heart attacks, metaphorically, while the white collective have no history of being felled by it. Would it therefore be understandable that the black collective reacts differently to chest pains than the white collective? Again, history produces consequences. Actions produce reactions. Historical acts produce contemporary reactions.
One does not have to understand, but not understanding does not detract from something being true. The TRUTH is that the empirical record shows that the existential economic and physical threat to black people in this land has COME FROM WHITE PEOPLE and RACISM. Whites have been our “heart problems” that have caused our heart attacks in the past. When a white police officer or a white person, therefore, attacks or kills a black person it registers as a “CHEST PAIN” to the black collective. Now, that chest pain often may not be a heart attack coming on…..but for an entity with a history of being felled by heart attacks……every chest pains is taken seriously. Others, who do not know or respect our history…..and who cannot empathize because they have no history of being felled by heart conditions…..cannot understand why blacks don’t just brush of the chest pains to be nothing more than common indigestion.
Finally, here is the other thing. Blacks do not have a history of being an existential threat to whites physically or economically. The white collective has for a long time feared the “black revolt” or ‘Payback” from what white society did or allowed to be done to blacks and parts of white society that built its wealth off the backs of black labor were economically threated by the quest for black freedom and equality, but the black collective in these lands HAVE NEVER oppressed the white collective economically or physically. There is no empirical evidence or history for it to make sense in the present that whites and blacks would react the same way in regards to inter-racial incidents between blacks and whites any more than it would make sense for an entity with a bad credit history to be given the same credit score that a person without the bad credit history. Again, history has consequences and honest and intelligent and open minded people know this.
So, do you agree that Mr. Garner's history may have had consequences in the present?
So, following the unfortunate deaths of Michael Brown, Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, etc. at the hands of police officers (note, I believe that these deaths are "unfortunate" even if I also believe that they were legally justified), we saw the Left and so-called civil rights leadership go into their "[white] police officers are bad" and "[white] police officers are murdering blacks" rants, with some destroying property, intimidating the public, and assaulting police officers in the process (yes, I admit that most of the protesters have been "non-violent," but that distinction means little to the sick/elderly whose ambulance is delayed due to street "shutdowns").
We see such reactions from the Left and so-called civil rights activists--people who otherwise claim to be looking out for "everyone" and standing up against abuse by "anyone"--almost exclusively when a white police officer (or a "white Hispanic" neighborhood watchman) kills a black or Latino individual. We then, by way of protests that do little else than needlessly inflame racial tensions and that are based on ignorance, hear the line about how these things don't happen or wouldn't happen to "white young men" or that if a black cop had been the one to kill a white person in a similar manner, there would have been an indictment/conviction, etc. We see such jumps to unsubstantiated conclusions from PhD holders to lawyers to people just getting out of the lockup.
I've conducted some research into the matter to see whether or not such allegations/charges hold true. Unsurprisingly, they fall flat nearly each and every time. Here are just a few examples that disprove the narrative pushed by the Sharpton types of this country (and that show a double standard of "outrage"):
2) Jury in overwhelmingly white Greece, NY acquits black police officer for killing unarmed white teen who cop claims was running towards him despite being told to "freeze" with the officer's weapon pointed at the teen (sound familiar?) (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...obody-cares/);
3) Grand jury refuses to indict police officer who killed unarmed white man with down syndrome for failing to leave movie he hadn't paid for (this is actually eerily similar to the Garner case as the man died of asphyxiation due to police officer being on his back) (http://thesource.com/2014/12/08/md-g...leave-movie/);
The list goes on and on (you get the point, though).
These stories haven't made national news as a general matter, led to mass protests and the destruction of property, or otherwise attracted the likes of Sharpton to denounce "police brutality" (when you look at example 3, this is even more surprising as the man with down syndrome arguably posed even less of a threat to the police than Garner did). When looking at the descriptions, its clear why: these aren't incidents that fit the narrative of blacks being killed by white police officers/whites in general (heck, as I alluded to above, the media went out of their way to portray Zimmerman as a "white Hispanic" when he killed Trayvon Martin--this despite no one ever using such language--in order to fit that narrative). When you have a contingent of the society that is content on race-baiting and inflaming tensions based on unsupported, biased allegations and double standards, we are in serious trouble. But this is why the Sharpton types and other so-called civil rights activists, black, white or green, never make any "progress"--society sees their actions for what they are, and then goes on with living their lives.
Interestingly enough, the Left and the Right have a lot of common ground in terms of wanting to rein in what some would call (not my language) an increasingly "militarized" police force. Such collaboration, however, will never take place so long as the Left continues to race-bait and push double standard narratives that are not supported by the facts.
Now, I know that I probably just opened the door for some to bring up the point that blacks/Latinos are still disproportionately killed by police officers in this country, and even disproportionately harassed by police officers in this country. This may very well be true. But, even here, its not so clear the extent that race has to do with anything. Indeed (and let's take this step by step), black and Latino communities tend to have significantly more violent crime than white/Asian/etc. communities in this country. As a result, we tend to see a higher police presence in these areas to combat that crime (despite calls for "policing equity," it doesn't quite make sense to place the same number of police officers in Georgetown as you would in Anacostia, or in the Upper East Side as you would in East New York; likewise, the approach to policing a high violent crime area will be different to policing a low violent crime area just taking into account officer safety and the threat to officer safety . . . these guys and gals want to make it home at the end of the day). Due to the higher police numbers within certain communities relative to the violent crime, you're necessarily (assuming that police officers are doing their jobs) going to have higher police interactions (whether for misdemeanors or felonies) than you'd have elsewhere, despite the fact that certain misdemeanor offenses may be taking place in higher numbers in low violent crime neighborhoods vs. high violent crime neighborhoods. And, along with greater police interaction, you're going have a greater number of allegations of police abuse, whether substantiated or not. But that's not racism; that's a pure policing numbers issue.
Let's be clear: I don't claim that racism doesn't exist (we are, after all, humans) or that there are not racist police officers. From my perspective, however (and I think its pretty telling that the number of cases highlighted by the likes of Sharpton and Jackson represent a tiny, tiny fraction of all of the potential and actual interactions between police officers and communities of color each year), the overwhelming majority of police officers are good, hardworking men and women who put their lives on the line daily to protect and serve our various communities. Before indicting an officer, a police department, or police officers in general, I'm, thus, going to require actual evidence of wrongdoing/racism, instead of skewed statistics without proper context and double-standard outrage and reporting.
Cheers.
Another point I wanted to point out here. In the end you take white transgressions or the claim being made against whites (racism) as essentially "Human Nature"....ie..."we are, after all, humans. Well, why are blacks behaving the way they are? Are they not HUMAN as well? Are they not simply operating off of HUMAN NATURE like the racist are? Is there not a human nature response/reaction to racism? Is it not true that blacks are simply manifesting the human nature response to their historical conditioning/treatment at the hands of white society?
So, do you agree that Mr. Garner's history may have had consequences in the present?
Make a point. Do not speak in riddles. I believe that nature evolved EVERY condition in the present...from the past and I believe that without exception.
So, do you agree that Mr. Garner's history may have had consequences in the present?
None of them should cause 6 men to jump him and then stand around while he dies on the sidewalk.
Let's also take the examples the OP presents in the first post. Do you not think the previous actions of the justice system to sweep their wrongs under the carpet might not have some consequences on the people?
Based on their representative percentages in the population of people involved in violent crime, whites are targeted for police killing at a disproportionately high rate.
The reason 999 people out of 1,000 don't know that is because there's no white version of Al Sharpton.
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