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Old 12-23-2014, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Many people will again lose their homes or cars due to this legislation. Just what we need, more foreclosures. Many count on that pension to pay for the cost of living. As we know SS pays very little compared to prices today on all cost of living items.

The next generations will not fair too well either. Taxes will probably eat away at their paychecks.
And every year one gets a statement about their pension funds.
Did any bother to read them ?
Did any contact their union reps about what was being done regarding the dwindling fund ?

Now it's all "shock and awe" and "How could this happen?"

Apathy my friend, apathy.
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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And every year one gets a statement about their pension funds.
Did any bother to read them ?
Did any contact their union reps about what was being done regarding the dwindling fund ?

Now it's all "shock and awe" and "How could this happen?"

Apathy my friend, apathy.
The fellow who I know that is getting his pension cut said his union has !00% and better to cover all pensions.. yet he got a letter that they will cut him in the future.

He was in the union and was in construction.
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The fellow who I know that is getting his pension cut said his union has !00% and better to cover all pensions.. yet he got a letter that they will cut him in the future.

He was in the union and was in construction.
Well his cut has nothing to do with this bill that just got passed and signed.
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well his cut has nothing to do with this bill that just got passed and signed.
Yes it does.. It is for construction, trucking , blue collar..
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yes it does.. It is for construction, trucking , blue collar..
You mean his union sent out letters before the bill got passed and signed ?
And the cuts got approved by the government which doesn't even have the process in place yet ?
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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... we can't make our old commitments to worker pensions now let alone the new commitments.
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Maybe the Congress is not willing to force companies to spend the extra money. They'd probably drop pensions altogether, and made things even worse. Actually that's exactly what my former employer did.
The original scheme was fine.

1] employer-based plan; plus
2] personal plan; plus
3] Social Security to partially insure the first two.

Look, things change. The US has changed; the World has changed; even the nature of employment has changed.

You need to adapt to those changes, because your present scheme is no longer viable.

79% of businesses are self-employed, according to the US Census Bureau.

There were 27,281,452 businesses in the US...and 21,351,320 businesses have no employees.

That means there are only 5,930,132 businesses that have employees.

Out of those, 5,294,970 or 89% have less than 20 employees. 98% of all businesses have 99 employees or less.

Another way of viewing it is that about 20% of your work-force is self-employed.

The days of the larger employers are long gone, and the evolution of business now will result in smaller employers.

You need to re-invent the employer-based option, or find an alternative.

You need to help with the personal plans. A certain element of your society doesn't want you to save money. They want you to give that money you would have saved to them. You gave them control of Congress and they have done a good job of making sure you spend every penny.

If it would be up to me, people would have to report credit card balances as income and pay taxes on it, and/or pay an equivalent amount of credit card interest as taxes.

The arguments against savings are that it causes job losses, but you're going to lose jobs anyway.

You can be punched in the face and handed a snow-cone, or be punched in the face and kicked to the curb.

Social Security as retirement insurance needs to be returned to the States where it originated.

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And your solution is a tax hike.
There are no alternatives.

The Social Security Cap nonsense has been repeatedly debunked and mathematically proven impossible.

Best case scenario with 100% of things going your way 100% of the time, you'll collect enough to fund 4 weeks. You still need to come up with money to fund the other 48 weeks.

In reality, you'll only collect enough to fund 2 weeks, leaving 50 weeks unfunded.

Either raise taxes or cut benefits, but make no mistake about it, that money is coming out of your economy one way or another.

Committing...

Mircea
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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And how long would it take to give 201 briefings? More or less 201 hours maybe?

Your idea would guarantee they'd be voting on a bill they never read. Rand Paul said they should be given one day per 25 pages. How low is that bar in your view? I think it's a good idea.
Thanks for proving that government is way too big.

It was never intended for "Congress" to be a full-time job.

If you ran the US as the constitutional federal republic as it was organized, there is no possible way Congress would ever spend more than 90 days each year in Washington DC.

Briefing....

Mircea
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You mean his union sent out letters before the bill got passed and signed ?
Maybe.... sounds kind of strange.. the letter stated his pension can be cut . Matter of fact I believe he mentioned something about it a year ago his pension may get the ax..I didn't think so... I didn't think they could touch it... they must have been working on this bill for a while and the unions knew it was coming down the road.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:04 PM
 
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Thanks for proving that government is way too big.

It was never intended for "Congress" to be a full-time job.

If you ran the US as the constitutional federal republic as it was organized, there is no possible way Congress would ever spend more than 90 days each year in Washington DC.

Briefing....

Mircea
Actually doing the work of congress? They don't even spend part time doing that.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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The Teamsters Central States Pension Fund covering ~212,000 retirees and ~65,000 workers is the largest of the multi employer plans and one of the least solvent. By their own estimates, they have 10-15 years before bankruptcy. Amazingly ignorant Union members also took their political guidance and direction from these same leaders.
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