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Old 01-02-2015, 01:22 PM
 
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I don't know if he will actually be traumatized. Depends upon how the others around him handle it, I suppose. Will his siblings or other relatives blame him for their mother's death? THAT could be traumatizing. It will certainly make him unique and give him a lifelong story to tell. Not many people can claim to have shot their own mother as a toddler!
so you think shooting your mother when you are a toddler is just a "unique" story to tell, kinda like they day when other unique thing happen like the time they went to disneyland and had a flat tire.
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Old 01-02-2015, 01:25 PM
 
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That's why I believe in requiring liability insurance for gun owners should be in order, and heavy fines or jail time for those who fail to obtain it.
I'd be okay with requiring liability insurance but not sending people to jail. For Pete's sake.
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Old 01-02-2015, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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It will be a very long time before there are a significant number of carry licenses issued in DC. I'll be dead from old age before that happens.
Don't be so sure about that....... We keep going to the courts and they keep FORCING your corrupt government obey the Constitution and respect our Rights.

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Old 01-02-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I agree situational awareness and avoidance is the first line of defense if possible. However sometimes even that is not enough. For instance.. Home invasions....

Homeowner shoots intruder in Vance County break-in :: WRAL.com
Well he had a crap door for one and... "he shot first, I shot second"!!!?? So.. again, it is the intruders incompetence that allowed the homeowner the chance to defensively use his firearm!! I give up though... I'm not going to have a gun in my home and if it means that a home invader takes my 27" picture tube TV... so be it. There is a guy in MI who is facing jail time for opening his door and shooting someone who was only drunk and looking for assistance with her car. Here in OR there are two guys facing criminal charges for firing shots out their windows at sounds they heard outside. Sounds they did not investigate before firing in the general direction. Both times their shots connected. Both times homeless men were killed. THAT is the way to use a gun! It is also terribly illegal and terribly wrong. But at least the shooters are alive. No telling what might have happened had they dithered and allowed the situation to develop out of their control. You never want to do that.

H
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Old 01-02-2015, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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There are no relevant "facts" about concealed gun
deaths. We do know that having a loaded gun in the house increases the
likelihood that someone in the house will be killed with that
gun. If we look at the experience of Great Britain, we can see
that fewer guns translates to fewer murders
Really? Because since the UK brought in stricter gun controls, their crime rates have doubled....

UK gun owners - Telegraph
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But, on the other hand, the strict regulations have done nothing to stop the
trade in illegal guns. The weapon Reeve used was, after all, a handgun, which
no one has been allowed to own in this country since 1997 – not even the
British Olympic pistol shooting team, which has to train in Switzerland.

And, a cruel irony this, gun crime has doubled since then
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and suicides
Suicides and gun ownership have no relation to one another. Take Japan for example. It's virtually impossible to own a gun there, they have like 4 gun deaths per year, yet they are 3rd in the world for highest suicide rate. The US on the other hand, with all it's guns, isn't even in the top 30.
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Old 01-02-2015, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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That's why I believe in requiring liability insurance for gun owners should be in order, and heavy fines or jail time for those who fail to obtain it. Also, using a gun or threatening to use one during a crime should be a felony with a minimum ten year prison sentence with no parole.
When you figure out how to make gang bangers and thugs, who are the primary culprits, buy insurance, then I will too. Until then, why would anyone else?
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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And neither are guns...... Guns are made to fire a projectile at a high rate of speed. The direction of the muzzle is completely up to the operator.

I've owned guns all my life, none of them have ever killed anyone, unless you count paper targets.

The vast najority of guns will never kill anyone.
True, a gun is nothing more than a tool.
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Congress is the Legislative branch they make Laws not enforce Laws. The Executive Branch enforces the law. These kind of misunderstandings of Fourth Grade Civics is why the anti-gun folks are so angry. They don't know who is supposed to do what or how.
So is your cherry picking antics. True, Congress make laws and law enforcement enforce the laws Congress makes. I unfortunately assumed we were on the same page, I will try to be more clear for you next time.
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You may want to reread the many, many posts where you insulted people who own guns. Other than the two? Posts where you wrote you were not against gun ownership.
So what would you call this woman who was careless with a gun and was shot by her own child? And that doesn't answer my question, where was I lying?
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:12 PM
 
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Well he had a crap door for one and... "he shot first, I shot second"!!!?? So.. again, it is the intruders incompetence that allowed the homeowner the chance to defensively use his firearm!! I give up though... I'm not going to have a gun in my home and if it means that a home invader takes my 27" picture tube TV... so be it. There is a guy in MI who is facing jail time for opening his door and shooting someone who was only drunk and looking for assistance with her car. Here in OR there are two guys facing criminal charges for firing shots out their windows at sounds they heard outside. Sounds they did not investigate before firing in the general direction. Both times their shots connected. Both times homeless men were killed. THAT is the way to use a gun! It is also terribly illegal and terribly wrong. But at least the shooters are alive. No telling what might have happened had they dithered and allowed the situation to develop out of their control. You never want to do that.

H
I support your decision to not carry or own a gun.

However what would you do if you walked in your home to see this happening to your wife or daughter.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQ38wpsT0U

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