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View Poll Results: Do You Believe Hate Speech Laws Will Become a Reality in the next 10 Years. Which Choice Best Descr
Yes, and I would back them 3 4.23%
No, that is too far-fetched 19 26.76%
Yes, but I would oppose them 35 49.30%
No, but I would support them 4 5.63%
Not sure, but tend toward likely not 3 4.23%
Not sure at all, but tend toward likely yes 2 2.82%
Not sure either way 1 1.41%
No Opinion/Don't care 1 1.41%
Other (Please explain) 3 4.23%
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-16-2015, 07:13 AM
 
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Just curious how many of you believe so-called "Hate Speech" laws will be implemented in this country?

Personally, I tend to think so. I won't get into which groups/factions I believe would support them. But it seems from many posts on whatever topic, there are some out there who back laws that would restrict/prohibit certain speech/writings they believe is "intolerant" of others (however defined). Also, there is a generation growing -- in fact, already of age in many cases -- that honestly believe they have some kind of "right" to not be offended.

Anyway, which of the choices best indicates your outlook on it all?
They've already been in practice to some extent.

Justin Carter:
Facebook 'Threat' Case Unresolved: A year after making a sarcastic comment, Justin Carter still faces prison - News - The Austin Chronicle

Josh Pillault:
Second teen spends months in jail for video game threat | The Daily Caller

Freedom of speech...hardly:
Journalists and whistleblowers will go to jail under new national security laws | Paul Farrell | Comment is free | The Guardian

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...-is-free.shtml

Gonzalez: UBS whistleblower deserves statue on Wall Street, not prison sentence - NY Daily News
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Old 01-16-2015, 07:26 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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If the Nazis planned a march in Skokie today I wonder if the ACLU would defend their right. I have my doubts. I don't think the ACLU is the same organisation it was 40 or 50 years.
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Old 01-16-2015, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Nothing would surprise me in Canada, but whatever. So who defines "Hate"? You? Or those who think like you?

Just remember that what goes around can come around. What is meant by "Hate speech" -- if it becomes "illegal" -- can just as easily come back to bite on the butt one group as it does another.

You are correct that there is no absolute "right" of anything, including "Free Speech". Such as the proverbial example of yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre.

But to shut off someone's right -- under the Bill of Rights" -- to express their opinion on controversial issues -- regardless of how popular/unpopular it might be -- under penalty of law -- is downright scary. If indeed a thought/writing is "unacceptable", then the power of public opinion alone will take care of it, so far as its effect goes.

The government has no business in it (just as it has no business in a lot of things).
So, who defines anything in law? It's the courts that make that determination. I don't have a problem with making the spreading of hatred toward any group a crime. It's just another type of slander. It's always lies, ignorance and the lowest of the low. When you spread these slanderous lies and misrepresentations about an entire group of people you are actually infringing upon their rights to pursue their happiness and live their lives as equals within the society. If it were not the case that millions of wackadoodles believe anything they hear as the truth it would not be so bad but the haters gotta hate. Let them hate all on their own without legal framework that allows they to spread the poison.
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Old 01-16-2015, 08:35 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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So, who defines anything in law? It's the courts that make that determination. I don't have a problem with making the spreading of hatred toward any group a crime. It's just another type of slander. It's always lies, ignorance and the lowest of the low. When you spread these slanderous lies and misrepresentations about an entire group of people you are actually infringing upon their rights to pursue their happiness and live their lives as equals within the society. If it were not the case that millions of wackadoodles believe anything they hear as the truth it would not be so bad but the haters gotta hate. Let them hate all on their own without legal framework that allows they to spread the poison.
This is untrue. Simple statements of fact can be construed as "hate speech" if they conflict with a particular narrative of some groups.
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Old 01-16-2015, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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This is untrue. Simple statements of fact can be construed as "hate speech" if they conflict with a particular narrative of some groups.
That is not our experience here with our anti hate laws.
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Old 01-16-2015, 01:39 PM
 
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This is untrue. Simple statements of fact can be construed as "hate speech" if they conflict with a particular narrative of some groups.
You got that right. It is a fact that those in our country illegally are illegal aliens but the bleeding heart liberals and ethnocentrics have labeled that as hate speech. According to them they are "undocumented".
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Old 01-16-2015, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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You got that right. It is a fact that those in our country illegally are illegal aliens but the bleeding heart liberals and ethnocentrics have labeled that as hate speech. According to them they are "undocumented".
When you have legislation against Hate Speech, it does not matter what your bleeding hearts think or what they label as Hate Speech. It's a well written law that determines that and a well educated and understanding Judiciary that enforces it.
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Old 01-16-2015, 02:27 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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There's no such thing as a well written law that restricts freedom of speech. Maybe in Canada but not in the U.S. Apparently we value freedom of speech more than you Canadiens do.
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Old 01-16-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Hate speech laws in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, I'm a person who zealously guards my freedoms, but these laws do not in any way or respect restrict my freedoms.
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Old 01-16-2015, 03:51 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Hate speech laws in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, I'm a person who zealously guards my freedoms, but these laws do not in any way or respect restrict my freedoms.
OK so say something negative and hateful about the Islamic religion. I can if I desire.
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