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Old 01-22-2015, 03:54 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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They've been paying more than their share for centuries, in many ways.

 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:56 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default Great post

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Originally Posted by RJ_Yellowhammer View Post
Threads like this are started every day, in every forum on the internet, and I don't think they'll ever stop pissing me off. So kudos to the OP, I guess.

If you would like to lash out, is it too much to ask that you direct it at those that are actually gaming the system? The "bottom 50%" does not equal shiftless, lazy, unemployed, scammer, or mooch. I'm sure you are aware that almost the entire enlisted corps of the military falls in the bottom 50%, as well as those that have been discharged due to injury. Are we mooches?

You "suffered" through college? Cry me a river. I "suffered" through 9 years of deployments, ultimately causing catastrophic injury and almost total disability to myself in the process. I'm currently "suffering" through college. Guess what, pal? College ain't all that f----ng tough.

These threads inevitably bring the tired phrase, "Everyone should have skin in the game". I'll go one better: Everyone should have their ass on the line. If you never have, don't presume to tell strangers about the dead weight that you've dragged around.
Excellent post and spot on.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 04:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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if you cant tax fairly and at equal RATES...then don't tax at all

why do the fascist liberals continue to discriminate.......the answer.....control
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""Fascism (which stems from Marxism) is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini


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"A Marxist/Fascist/Liberal begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of socialism, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul Alinsky

tax everyone equally... and the liberals lose their control over the serfs
 
Old 01-22-2015, 04:49 AM
 
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Originally Posted by mohawkx View Post
Hopefully the 1% will buy 250 Lamborghinis a year to provide some equality in taxation for the poor ******* who gets the Ford Fiesta, 5 spd.

Being that there's 99 poor people for every rich person, wouldn't that mean the 99 poor are paying for all the one rich guy?

There's only so much money in circulation, why should 1% keep it all?
Uh..hmm...let me think. Oh, I know. Because it's their money. How about that? When you earn money, you get to keep it. I know, it's a novel concept to you. But hey, it just might work. In fact, it actually did work for almost two centuries before your ilk created a bloated welfare state they couldn't pay for.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 05:01 AM
 
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Uh..hmm...let me think. Oh, I know. Because it's their money. How about that? When you earn money, you get to keep it. I know, it's a novel concept to you. But hey, it just might work. In fact, it actually did work for almost two centuries before your ilk created a bloated welfare state they couldn't pay for.
Yes, it worked fabulously for those who lived off the sweat and blood of the working class! Right on!
 
Old 01-22-2015, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by mohawkx View Post
Hopefully the 1% will buy 250 Lamborghinis a year to provide some equality in taxation for the poor ******* who gets the Ford Fiesta, 5 spd.

Being that there's 99 poor people for every rich person, wouldn't that mean the 99 poor are paying for all the one rich guy?

There's only so much money in circulation, why should 1% keep it all?
well that is part of the idea of a consumption tax

tax spending not income

eliminate all the overlapping taxes....income , corporate, estate, excise...and impose a national sales (consumption) tax


you want the '''rich''' to pay more....hit them on spending


Pass the Fair Tax | FAIRtax.org
 
Old 01-22-2015, 06:40 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I see it this way: the lower income classes are already paying their share via the inadequate income most of them (i.e. those who work, whatever it is) get for their work. So the wealthy ones who get that money instead due to the absurd income inequality are paying the taxes for low-income people as well, which is fair because they also get a lot of income that should actually go to lower-income people instead.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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Checking the column "Average Federal Tax Change" shows what a flat tax would do to the bottom and top earners.

Presidential Campaign 2012: Herman Cain's 9-9-9 Tax Reform Plan without Poverty Deduction; Baseline: Current Policy; Distribution by Cash Income Level, 2013

Everyone under $200,000 a year would see an increase in taxes and everyone above this would receive massive tax cuts. This would only widen the gap (according to this chart) on income inequality.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 08:40 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Faith2187 View Post
If they get taxed more, when they already don't make very much, to pay their fair share, then wouldn't that result in less take home pay, less money to live off of, and thus they'll be even more broke and in need of more assistance.
The option is always there to live within their means. If that means pooling resources with roommates or extended family members all under one roof, so be it. If they don't like it, all the more incentive to work at improving their knowledge/skills, become proficient in a field in which there's a high demand for competent employees who correspondingly then receive higher pay, and earn their way up and out of such living conditions.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 08:48 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I think it should be even simpler than that. I think there should just be a flat sales tax and no income tax. Then you would never have to worry about tax evasion.
Agree 100%! That way, even those who don't report their income because it's acquired via illicit means (drug dealing, theft and fencing, etc.) also pay their fair share.
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