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Old 01-22-2015, 02:44 PM
 
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Ask any climate denier these ten+ questions and make sure they stay on topic* by allowing only three logical answers.

A) Yes
B) No
C) Not Sure**

These aren't trick questions and non-shill scientists answer Yes to all of them.

1) Do people create particulate air pollution and photochemical smog?

1a) Is air pollution a global environmental problem caused primarily by Man?

2) Do people pollute lakes, rivers and oceans with chemicals, radiation and other toxins?

2a) Is water pollution a global environmental problem caused primarily by Man?

3) Are people cutting down trees at a faster rate than they can grow back, or clearing them altogether?

3a) Is deforestation a global environmental problem caused primarily by Man?

4) Are people taking fish from the oceans faster than nature can replace them?

4a) Is overfishing a global environmental problem caused primarily by Man?

5) By means of deforestation, agriculture, hunting, fishing, mining, drilling, pollution and road & city construction, have people caused the extinctions of numerous species beyond nature's typical levels in modern times? Have them research "The Sixth Extinction" if they deny this one.

5a) Are species extinctions a global environmental problem caused primarily by Man?

6) Are people breeding beyond the level of natural birth & death balance? The current world population growth rate is somewhere between 75 and 80 MILLION (net gain per year). That's A LOT of people and they occupy space and use resources while withholding them from other (declining) species. Smoke a pack while you ponder that.

6a) Is human population growth increasing overall stress on the global environment?

7) Is CO2 the major cause of radiative forcing in the Earth's atmosphere, and do you accept that without CO2 the Earth would be largely frozen?

8) Is Man the primary reason CO2 levels are rising since the time when fossil fuels were first burned?

9) If you agree that CO2 is the most critical greenhouse gas and that Man is raising its levels far above what nature is currently doing, wouldn't more CO2 in the atmosphere trap more heat? This includes the oceans, where scientists say 90% of the heat ends up.

10) Does CO2 circulate and disperse fairly evenly in the global atmosphere?

10a) Are the climatic effects of CO2 emissions a global environmental problem caused primarily by Man?

The point of this exercise is to force faux/Fox skeptics to see global warming in the context of other man-made environmental problems that they usually don't dispute, scientifically (whether they care is separate issue). Equally important is refuting the claim that Man is just a "puny" animal, incapable of upsetting nature's balance. Deniers waffle on whether Man is the greatest force in the universe (outside of a deity) or as humble as a chipmunk on a Sequoia. "We're a harmless species..... except when we cause a Dust Bowl, clear 90% of a forest for farming, dam the Colorado river, or bomb Hiroshima. But God is watching us 24/7 so don't worry about the mess! We don't know exactly why, but He only lets us get away with things other than global warming, or that ozone hole hoax. Ain't that right, Lord?"

Most denier arguments depend on false context, cherry-picking, changing the subject or casting one-sentence insults (watch the Jethro replies here). Once you understand how these people operate they become very transparent. Don't be fooled by the ones who seem articulate and quote Roy Spencer articles. They're just as devious as the high-school dropouts, if not more so (see Dunning-Kruger effect).

I'm posting this because science-denial has become a criminal attitude and society can't afford to coddle these people any longer. A petition to ban Creationist James Inhofe from the Environment and Public Works committee would be a good start in a nation that's supposedly based on knowledge.

* Staying on topic means don't let them change the subject to regulations, taxation, Al Gore, the NWO, the Illuminati, something they heard Rush say, or cherry-picking the wording of a question to distract from its overall meaning. Don't let them pull a Ronald Reagan by saying things like "well...trees cause pollution also." Man-made impacts are always in addition to longstanding natural ones. Have them look up "cumulative environmental impacts" if they press that old tactic. Don't let them be temporary soft-deniers by sounding vague about the whole issue, e.g. "we don't yet know if Man is fully at fault, so let's do another _X_ years of research."

** If they answer every question with "I'm not sure," ask them if/when they could EVER be sure, and what prevents them from being sure at the moment. Also ask them if they are unsure about other scientific concepts, like gravity, electron-flow, the ignition of fuel in their engines, DNA testing to solve crimes, medicines that keep them alive, etc. Make sure they don't segue into talking about regulations or taxation on any of those topics!

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Old 01-22-2015, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Stay on topic with carefully crafted questions and refuse the other person the ability to debate. Sounds like a good way to have a one-sided conversation.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:05 PM
 
Location: NJ
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OP has been blinded by humanccausedgw fervor and misses the fact that a hcgwc denier can be someone who takes personal responsibility to ensure he 'leaves no trace' and respects all nature.

As a hcgw activist when do you predict the earth and all nature will be destroyed?

What specifically needs to be done and what is the drop dead date for action?

Is money the only solution to saving the earth?

Should all cow be slaughtered to prevent methane? It would save the earth and eliminate 1/3 of all methane emissions. Should we not sacrifice cows to save human babies?

What happens if we are successful in preventing, what is it that we are we trying to prevent....? when do we stop in time to prevent global cooling?
 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Stay on topic with carefully crafted questions and refuse the other person the ability to debate. Sounds like a good way to have a one-sided conversation.
Here we have the first deflection... Instead of answering the questions find fault with the way they are asked....Why don't you answer the questions?

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Old 01-22-2015, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The Doomsday Clock moves forward.

This time, the clock was adjusted to express the group's dissatisfaction with world progress on "unchecked climate change, global nuclear weapons modernizations, and outsized nuclear weapons arsenals."

"world leaders have failed to act with the speed or on the scale required to protect citizens from potential catastrophe. These failures of political leadership endanger every person on Earth.”

The Doomsday Clock is ticking again. It is now three minutes to midnight, a.k.a the end of humanity. - The Washington Post
 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:19 PM
 
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Yay, another cultist warmer thread! Whee!
 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:20 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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"climate deniers'?

no one denies there's a climate.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Originally Posted by sanspeur View Post
The Doomsday Clock moves forward.

This time, the clock was adjusted to express the group's dissatisfaction with world progress on "unchecked climate change, global nuclear weapons modernizations, and outsized nuclear weapons arsenals."

"world leaders have failed to act with the speed or on the scale required to protect citizens from potential catastrophe. These failures of political leadership endanger every person on Earth.”

The Doomsday Clock is ticking again. It is now three minutes to midnight, a.k.a the end of humanity. - The Washington Post
Soon it will be 2 Minutes to Midnight and that would be cool because that's an Irom Maiden song.

The climate deniers call those of us who believe in AGW cultists yet they tend to be the ones denying with all the fervour of a religious zealot.

Assume for a monent we're wrong and there is no global climate change; what is bad in leaving later generations with clean air, clean water, and no more reliance on fossil fuels?
 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:32 PM
 
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Here we have the first deflection... Instead of answering the questions find fault with the way they are asked....Why don't you answer the questions?
Okay, I drive trains that let out gobs of smoke, I burn my trash including plastic, I make my own fuel so I don't pay road tax, I burn wood for heat and I feed some of my steers grain to fatten them up for slaughter which in turn causes them to fart enormously.

This loony thread had me laughing for 10 minutes.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:39 PM
 
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Ask any climate denier these ten+ questions and make sure they stay on topic* by allowing only three logical answers.

A) Yes
B) No
C) Not Sure**

heh, did that work?


The problem about "belief" (and not science/reality/etc) is that it doesn't matter if you answer all questions rational. . .it doesn't matter

faith means taking all that evidence and reality and chucking it out the window


if everyone just read evidence in a logical, critical thinking way without bias.

We would have no anti vaccination people and we would have no climate deniers
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