Federal judge strikes down AL marriage ban :) (Al Gore, Franken, enemy)

[swbtoo]

Originally Posted by bUU

Especially when they either don't know or are deceptive about what their religion says. Gay marriage is not a sin any more than Buddhists marrying each other is a sin. While the Bible does talk about homosexuality, it does not explicitly mention gay marriage (nor marriage between adherents of other religions). Furthermore, most importantly, the Bible doesn't have standing to comment on how people who don't subscribe to the Bible should live in definitely non-Christian America. So your diatribe here only has significance if you're willing to stand up and say that non-Christians should have their citizenship revoked. Please do that, to prove at least that you recognize that in order for your perspective to have any worth you must necessarily proclaim beliefs that are patently absurd, not to mention ridiculously megalomaniac.

What about it? You expressed your perspective and others expressed theirs. Freedom of Speech clearly prevailed.

It must suck to think that you're lord and master over other people such that you deserve to impose your beliefs on what goes on within their skin, impose your beliefs on their families, and impose your beliefs on their worship, only to have your hubris rebuffed by the reality of civil rights.

Comparing apples to oranges? Buddhism is a religion, but gay is now a religion also?

Liberal 'logic' is an exercise in mental gymnastics.

[jacqueg]

Originally Posted by brownbagg

the people of alabama still don't want same sex marriage, what happen was a couple came from out of state and sued the state. a federal judge could nor find no reason to stop it, so he allowed same sex marriage. the people of alabama wasn't involved, the state wasn't involved. it was a federal judge telling you what to do. it could happen in any state over any idea or reason.

one of the biggest complains is the federal government should not get involved in state rights.

That couple was legally married before they moved to alabama. They brought the suit when one of them tried to legally adopt the son of the other, as heterosexual couples do all the time.

All the people here who are mumbling about states' rights are putting the right of a state - i.e., a government - over the right of an individual person to legally marry his/her life partner.

[Mwahfromtheheart]

Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ

Crazy Pro gay Marriage fabricated Vid. this does not reflect the Church what's so ever. We Pray and out reach programs for those whom wish to straighten their life. We treat sinners with dignity and respect. We are all sinners. Its just how one deals with it, with Grace.

Gay Marriage is still a sin and Christians are demonized for standing up for the beliefs. What about Freedom of speech.
The Gay community has been pretty vocal suing their way to the top over turning voter approve laws. They have destroyed business when in fact it has been reverse discrimination.
Employers tip toe around Gay employees in fear of being sued.


Civil unions yes , we are talking about peoples rights and we do have Freedoms Guaranteed by the US Constitution. These laws of man and does not reflect the true definition of Marriage. One Man One Women.

Okay, as long as government recognizes heterosexual couples as a civil union instead of marriage. Then at that point government shouldn't care who you married in your church.

[jacqueg]

Originally Posted by Mwahfromtheheart

Okay, as long as government recognizes heterosexual couples as a civil union instead of marriage. Then at that point government shouldn't care who you married in your church.

All legally recognized marriages in the us *are* civil unions. The license from the government is necessary while the church part is optional.

[bUU]

Originally Posted by southward bound

Comparing apples to oranges? Buddhism is a religion, but gay is now a religion also?

Not at all. Homosexuals are a class of Americans who have been subjected to a pattern of discrimination by society, just like those of minority religions, just like those of minority races, just like veterans of the Viet Nam era. Our society has regularly since 1965 acknowledged those past offenses and established protected classes in recognition, making it clear that we are all obligated to grant members of these protected classes the same rights and privileges as everyone else without discounting the worth of those rights and privileges with regard to members of those protected classes: Gender, race, religion and national origin in 1964. Age in 1967. Disability in 1973. Status as a veteran in 1974. Pregnancy in 1978. Status as an immigration in 1986. By all rights, homosexuals, having similarly suffered a pattern of discrimination, should also be a protected class, but right-wing bigots in Congress block such changes, so it is up to the courts to achieve the goal of the Fourteenth Amendment through judicial means. The matter at hand is acknowledging the hatred and bigotry regularly directed as homosexuals by our nation's institutions and a number of our nation's citizens, and taking steps to remedy those injustices. There is no "right to hate" but there is a right to not be subjected to hate.

Originally Posted by southward bound

Liberal 'logic' is an exercise in mental gymnastics.

It is a shame that you work so hard to blind yourself to the tenets of basic morality and consideration for others.

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by pknopp

They've stated they have made up their minds even before hearing arguments. That isn't how it is supposed to work.

The Alabama case is pretty much the same as the other 5 cases they just refused to hear. Why stay the decision when they just allowed the others to go ahead?

[Mwahfromtheheart]

Originally Posted by jacqueg

All legally recognized marriages in the us *are* civil unions. The license from the government is necessary while the church part is optional.

I know. I think the debate over the word is silly. But the argument over gay marriage always weens down to "government shouldn't get in the marriage business" (because they cannot win this argument without looking like a bigot).

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by pknopp

So you don't disagree with what I said but felt the need to argue anyway? People aren't stupid. They court isn't going to vote (they could have simply refused to get involved now at all and not voted) to allow marriages just to take them away in a few months.

They should not have got involved at all. They could have refused to hear the case. The outcome would have been the same but they wouldn't have shown their hand before the arguments were made.

Alabama asked the supreme court for a stay after the 11th circuit refused to stay the decision. So far there is no case pending for the Alabama decision the AG wanted the supreme court to stay the 11th circuit decision until they ruled on the 6th circuit cases.

[Oakformonday]

Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ

Crazy Pro gay Marriage fabricated Vid. this does not reflect the Church what's so ever. We Pray and out reach programs for those whom wish to straighten their life. We treat sinners with dignity and respect. We are all sinners. Its just how one deals with it, with Grace.

Gay Marriage is still a sin and Christians are demonized for standing up for the beliefs. What about Freedom of speech.
The Gay community has been pretty vocal suing their way to the top over turning voter approve laws. They have destroyed business when in fact it has been reverse discrimination.
Employers tip toe around Gay employees in fear of being sued.


Civil unions yes , we are talking about peoples rights and we do have Freedoms Guaranteed by the US Constitution. These laws of man and does not reflect the true definition of Marriage. One Man One Women.

The video showed clips of crazy christians. They exist and this is how I picture some of you. LOL BTW, your conversion therapies are abuse. There is no dignity or respect. Did you go through conversion therapy?

There is only marriage. I don't get why you people think you're being demonized. Think about who is actually being demonized... You wrote your opinion here and I'm presuming that the authorities haven't arrested you for hate speech.

Employers have to be careful with EVERYONE. What, you think people should be fired for being gay? They can in many states today!

Yes, the Constitution is being upheld. Just because the Constitution protects all instead of just hateful, bitter conspiratorial bigots does not make it wrong. If you were one of those that was abused in a conversion therapy, I sincerely hope you find your way out.

[jacqueg]

Originally Posted by Mwahfromtheheart

I know. I think the debate over the word is silly. But the argument over gay marriage always weens down to "government shouldn't get in the marriage business" (because they cannot win this argument without looking like a bigot).

It *is* pretty entertaining to see some of the same people who used to defend the "sanctity" of marriage now advocating throwing it under the bus.

Makes it obvious that, for them, legal marriage wasn't really the issue.