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Old 02-17-2013, 06:03 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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To gain market share globally, the USA is going to have to lower wages, safety & environmental.


Trade tariffs allowed Americans to have job security, higher wages than anyone else in the world, the highest safety standards and the most environmentally conscious industrialized nation.

We were self sufficient.
That is long gone with the signing of NAFTA and the 2000 China free trade act, along with refusing to abide by the 1986 immigration act.

There is no going back now. Unless there is a crash to make the correction.
Just think if you told the guy working for you it was .$2 a day for 12-14 hours.
There is your correction, in a global economy, without trade tariffs to protect our way of life.

I want America to work for America, not try and be an exporting king, or what ever we are trying to do. We fully opened our trade, for what? Cheaper stuff to buy?

Well now your seeing the consequences. A failing economy, with real unemployment in the 15-20%

All the stuff we import, we use to make. That means jobs, people!
Trade tariffs built the middle class.

 
Old 02-17-2013, 06:22 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If you really think about it, the Progressive Republican Globalist, are trying to create jobs. Low paying dirty jobs, that only illegals are willing to do now. They are pushing for a lower minimum wage to get people working. Lower safety standards to get people working. Lower environmental to get people working.
The people working will be the illegal aliens... at first.
Americans will want help to make it.



Then you have the Progressive Democrat Globalist, want to keep all the high regulations and make them higher, high wages and make them higher, with union bullying and stifle any industry here with the environmental extremist, with high regulations and making them higher daily.
You are going to have high unemployment, and everyone needing help to make it.


The Constitutional Conservatives are very patriotic, or have you not noticed. America for America!
Self sufficiency! This nation was founded upon individualism and self sufficiency.
 
Old 02-17-2013, 08:14 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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When the truth hurts, no one wants to debate it.


Ouch!
 
Old 02-17-2013, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Well us Canadians are very open to redoing NAFTA so sure I say we modernize it to reflect the times of 2013. where we both might have things to be changed to save our economy or take bids on Resources and sell to the heist bidder and get the most money jobs and create more and domestic and foreign investment into buying our products and our exports for both our countries.

As we now have the EU hitting us up with all these tariffs and directly competing with us bur also blocking us from competing these same markets.

Since Canada and the U.S. are Europe's middleman to trade with the Asian markets and we need our cut of the pie to be larger or maybe we can even begin to bring back our manufacturing base and create jobs here and then sell those products to Europe instead of China making everything heck start with Craftsmen tools and have the Made In the U.S.A back on them and we make them like we used too where they were built to last and we took pride in our products.
 
Old 02-17-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GTOlover View Post
Well us Canadians are very open to redoing NAFTA so sure I say we modernize it to reflect the times of 2013. where we both might have things to be changed to save our economy or take bids on Resources and sell to the heist bidder and get the most money jobs and create more and domestic and foreign investment into buying our products and our exports for both our countries.

As we now have the EU hitting us up with all these tariffs and directly competing with us bur also blocking us from competing these same markets.

Since Canada and the U.S. are Europe's middleman to trade with the Asian markets and we need our cut of the pie to be larger or maybe we can even begin to bring back our manufacturing base and create jobs here and then sell those products to Europe instead of China making everything heck start with Craftsmen tools and have the Made In the U.S.A back on them and we make them like we used too where they were built to last and we took pride in our products.

I think you're misunderstanding the premise of the O/P's post.

He wants to completely refute ALL Free Trade agreements as perceived attacks on the U.S. economy. Completely ignoring the facts it was his country insisting on these agreements in the first place in the belief of the time that the manufacturing might of the U.S. would carry them forward.

It has now become apparent however that those same corporations saw opportunity to increase shareholder dividends by moving their production off-shore and ALSO those other countries said "you wanna sell your junk to us, you gotta build your junk here". These same tactics were previously employed by the U.S. and are still to this day.

Having your cake and eating it too was fine so long as the recipient of the benefits was always the U.S. now the worm has turned and oooopsy! The halycon days are gone for good; competiveness now entails competing with countries that can muster enough manning and technology to build roads and factories in mere weeks where it took years before.

Look to Russia for a prime example of results of protectionism given priority. Black market and stagnation of development the order of the day until they came out of the starter's blocks fully three laps behind the other racers and are now playing catch-up.
 
Old 04-19-2015, 03:13 PM
 
Location: North America
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When the truth hurts, no one wants to debate it.


Ouch!
What is truly scary is that we now have Obama's TPP and Americans STILL don't care about saving jobs!

What is it going to take for Americans to wake up and march on Washington to demand an end to job exporting?!?!
 
Old 04-19-2015, 03:22 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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What is truly scary is that we now have Obama's TPP and Americans STILL don't care about saving jobs!

What is it going to take for Americans to wake up and march on Washington to demand an end to job exporting?!?!
When they wake up as penniless slaves.
 
Old 04-19-2015, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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We've exported a great deal of our industrial capacity to China. There really isn't any going back. And as long as it's more lucrative to bet on stocks than it is to manufacture goods, our domestic industries will continue to rust away into history. To see America's glory, we will have to look back into the history books at what America looked like, before we couldn't afford to maintain our infrastructure.
 
Old 04-19-2015, 03:46 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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We can reverse it but not when the people who profit off free trade are running the show.
 
Old 04-19-2015, 03:54 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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Trade tariffs, when they apply to products that the wealthy will buy... can make sense.
But when they apply to products that the lower 2/3's buy... not so much.

If we didn't have so many consumer products produced overseas...
we would be getting pressure to expand that trade.

The US problem is about producing too many replacement workers
for too many jobs that will NEVER be here again.
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