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Old 04-22-2015, 08:49 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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You can't make this stuff up:
Court rules domestic violence allegations enough to deny gun permit | NJ.com
So this guy was accused of a crime 20 years ago, acquitted, and now he was denied a gun permit because of it. Guilty after being proven innocent. Why even have a constitution? It's clear that our government has no intention on abiding by it.
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Old 04-22-2015, 09:11 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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You can't make this stuff up:
Court rules domestic violence allegations enough to deny gun permit | NJ.com
So this guy was accused of a crime 20 years ago, acquitted, and now he was denied a gun permit because of it. Guilty after being proven innocent. Why even have a constitution? It's clear that our government has no intention on abiding by it.


This is exactly the reason why May issue permitting is a violation of civil rights. Here in California the sheriff doesn't even have to issue you a permit. In many counties it is reserved for the politically connected that give lots of reelection money. The democrats were fine when it was only minorities being prevented just like they are fine now when honest Americans cannot get a permit.

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Old 04-22-2015, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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This is exactly the reason why May issue permitting is a violation of civil rights. Here in California the sheriff doesn't even have to issue you a permit. In many counties it is reserved for the politically connected that give lots of reelection money.
Different issue.

May issue is a concealed carry issue.

This guy was denied a Firearm purchase ID to own a gun to keep at home.
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Old 04-22-2015, 09:17 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Different issue.

May issue is a concealed carry issue.

This guy was denied a Firearm purchase ID to own a gun to keep at home.



what did the guy expect, he is a subject in that state. NJ is just as bad as some of the other liberal gun control states. if he wants to have a firearm, then have him move to a state that does not mind giving its citizens firearms.
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Old 04-22-2015, 10:43 PM
 
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what did the guy expect, he is a subject in that state. NJ is just as bad as some of the other liberal gun control states. if he wants to have a firearm, then have him move to a state that does not mind giving its citizens firearms.


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Old 04-22-2015, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Anyone in NJ who wants a gun better study the laws with a fine tooth comb. It is VERY hard to stay law-abiding when it comes to guns in that state. Gun Ownership in NJ is a very dangerous proposition, which of course is by design.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Question OUR government?

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Court rules domestic violence allegations enough to deny gun permit | NJ.com
So this guy was accused of a crime 20 years ago, acquitted, and now he was denied a gun permit because of it. Guilty after being proven innocent. Why even have a constitution? It's clear that our government has no intention on abiding by it.
Really?

It's New Jersey, a police state.

There are plenty of states in the USA that aren't so fouled up. Lots of alternatives available.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Seems no one noticed the part in bold:

"Z.L. had been accused of domestic violence in 1998 but later acquitted, although police later visited his home five times between 2003 and 2011 on domestic dispute calls."

Not that he may not have a point that his rights are being violated I do have to wonder if the police are within reason when it comes to their concerns. I would suggest that he can have the gun at home, he just has to live alone.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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That's the problem with a lot of stories that spread around the internet... the fine details get lost. Just like a lot of studies where they use dubious control groups to come to any conclusion they want. I find this is so prevalent I no longer trust any study at face value.

I would argue someone unstable enough to have cops called out multiple times on domestic dispute calls doesn't really need a permit.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:55 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Seems no one noticed the part in bold:

"Z.L. had been accused of domestic violence in 1998 but later acquitted, although police later visited his home five times between 2003 and 2011 on domestic dispute calls."

Not that he may not have a point that his rights are being violated I do have to wonder if the police are within reason when it comes to their concerns. I would suggest that he can have the gun at home, he just has to live alone.
So now we are basing your constitutional rights on how many times the police show up at your house? No trial? No jury? Not even an indictment? Sounds like the Spanish inquisition to me, but at least they got something of a trial back in the dark ages.
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