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Old 06-11-2015, 03:59 AM
 
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A lot of people not just one political party or a group of investors but everyone who supported the change. In 2002 President George W. Bush called on Congress to create a $200 million American Dream Down-Payment Fund. It was almost a kind of wealth redistribution plan supported by both parties. Bottom line is it didn't work and was the major cause of the real estate collapse in 2008. I feel that in the media there is a lot of information that isn't reported and the republican party is the one that is quick to blame on many matters like this. Who do you think is to blame?
the housing bubble/bust started in 1995 under Clinton

fannie and Freddie...and their RULES SET by HUD

Clinton chief(s) of HUD did it henry Cisneros and Andrew Cuomo in 1995-2000 causing the housing bubble/bust

Defending Home Turf From Attack; Fannie Mae Is Facing Assault By House Panel and Business Rivals
By RICHARD W. STEVENSON
Published: April 22, 2000
Defending Home Turf From Attack - Fannie Mae Is Facing Assault By House Panel and Business Rivals - NYTimes.com
Shareholder owned but federally chartered, it is an odd hybrid that dominates the business of channeling money between lenders and Wall Street by buying mortgages and packaging them into securities. Its chief executive, Franklin D. Raines, is a former White House budget director whose name has been floated by Vice President Al Gore's presidential campaign as a possibility for the No. 2 spot on the Democratic ticket, and its executives have close ties to both parties.

Government-sponsored enterprise debt also is counted as safer than traditional corporate debt by regulators when they assess the financial strength of banks. As a result, many banks have made such debt a big part of their capital base, a situation that has left some regulators and members of Congress speculating about the implications for the financial system if Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac were to get into serious financial trouble.
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125% Loan: Blessing Or Bane?
By JAY ROMANO
Published: July 13, 1997
RESPONDING to the seemingly insatiable demand by borrowers for ever more exotic forms of credit, some aggressive lenders have brought to market a rather unconventional mortgage product: the 125 percent loan.

With such a loan, homeowners -- even those with less-than-pristine credit -- can borrow up to 125 percent of the market value of their homes by pledging collateral that doesn't exist.

Lenders who make such loans say they are effective credit tools that can be used by homeowners to raise cash for unexpected expenditures, get out from under high-interest credit-card debt or pay for home improvements that will in turn increase the owner's equity.

''The underwriting criteria (from the government) are actually more flexible,'' Mr. Levy said. ''They allow more dinks on your credit and a more narrow spread between what you make and what you pay out.''

And that is just what concerns Mr. Bader of Skyscraper Mortgage.

''The person who couldn't qualify for an ordinary home equity loan at 8 percent is now borrowing even more money at 14 percent,'' Mr. Bader said, adding that anyone thinking about taking out such a loan should contemplate the following:

''What happens if you want to sell your property, and you find that what you owe is more than what your property is worth?''
125% Loan - Blessing Or Bane? - NYTimes.com

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U.S. Proposes Rules to Help House Buyers
Published: March 05, 2000

The federal government has proposed new rules that would make it easier for low-income house buyers to qualify for mortgage loans, a move intended to help blacks and other minorities buy houses.

The proposed rules from the Department of Housing and Urban Development would require two of the largest housing finance companies in the country, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, to increase the percentages of overall loans that they offer to lower-income families from the current standard of 42 percent to 48 percent in 2000 and to 50 percent in 2001.

The companies would be required over the next 10 years to buy $2.4 trillion in mortgages from banks and other lenders to assist the 28 million American families with low and moderate incomes. Many of those families are minorities, housing officials said.

''This rule will greatly expand the supply of affordable housing across the country,'' said Housing Secretary Andrew M. Cuomo.
The companies(fannie/freddie) buy mortgages for homes and apartment buildings from banks, savings and loans and other mortgage lenders, and package and sell the loans to investors. When Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae buy mortgages from lenders, they provide the lenders with cash to issue new mortgages.

Under the higher goals, the companies would buy an additional $488.3 billion in mortgages over the next 10 years for seven million more low- and moderate-income families. The new mortgages would be added to the $1.9 trillion in mortgages for about 21 million families that would have been helped by the current standards.

Mr. Cuomo said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were cooperating with federal regulators on this issue. The Housing Department said it was reviewing fair-lending practices at Fannie Mae. The two companies can do more, Mr. Cuomo said, and that led to the elevated goals.

The requirements for mortgage purchases were last set in 1995. The goals were up for renewal this year, as required by Congress. The housing administration could have lowered the goals or have left them unchanged.
U.S. Proposes Rules to Help House Buyers - NYTimes.com

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this from 1999

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com
Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com
Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published: September 30, 1999


.......... the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.''

Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market.

In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it purchases loans that banks make on what is called the secondary market. By expanding the type of loans that it will buy, Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to make more loans to people with less-than-stellar credit ratings.


see the words in bold....very telling

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Giving Credit Where Credit Was Denied

Published: June 08, 1997
Giving Credit Where Credit Was Denied - NYTimes.com
Mr. Kent received what his lender, GFI Mortgage Bankers, calls its ''no-doc product'' -- as in no documents needed.

''We've created new products for people who have glitches, hairy credit,'' said Abe Eisner, executive vice president of GFI. ''No-doc means all we need is your name, address and Social Security number, depending on your credit history.''

GFI is a barometer for the industry; its subprime lending currently represents about 25 percent of the company's business. Two years ago, it was 10 percent.

--snip-....
One measure of the expanding subprime market is the number of loans that have been packaged and sold as asset-backed securities -- meaning that investors buy shares in those resold loans and then reap the returns as the mortgages are paid off.

--snip--
According to Jay Siegel, a vice president at Moody's Investor Service: ''Subprime loans have exploded from $7 billion in 1992 to $37 billion in 1996 as a sector of the entire securitized conventional loan market.'' That $37 billion, Mr. Siegel said, represents 11 percent of all the conventional loans that were securitized in 1996, up from 1.4 percent in 1992.
--snip--

--snip--

Even quasi-governmental agencies have primed the subprime pump. The Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac) have recently developed computerized underwriting systems that allow lenders to speedily and reliably evaluate an applicant's credit-worthiness. The loans rejected by the automated system are, by definition, subprime.

''In the past, if a loan was rejected by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, that was it,'' Mr. Hornblass said. ''They weren't touching that business.

''But now both agencies have set up arrangements with lending companies that buy those subprime loans coming through the automated systems. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae take a fee, the loans get funneled to a lending company that's willing to buy them, package them and then sell the securities to investors.''

The agencies have also, for the first time, become guarantors of subprime loans. In fact, on May 21, Freddie Mac agreed to guarantee the securitization of $227.3 million in subprime loans originated by the First Union Home Equity Bank.

Several industry analysts point out that the trend toward subprime lending has been a boon to the nation's affordable housing movement. ''There are more subprime opportunities that dovetail well with C.R.A.-required lending,'' said Mr. Gumbinger

--snip--

C.R.A. is the Community Reinvestment Act, a law passed by Congress in 1977 to combat red-lining -- the systematic policy of banks to avoid making loans in poor communities. The law requires Federally regulated banks and savings and loans, but not mortgage banks, to ''help meet the credit needs of communities in which they are chartered.'' If one of those lenders applies to Federal regulatory agencies for a merger or a new charter, it must demonstrate that it has originated a sufficient number of loans in low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.

According to data provided by Douglas Duncan, a senior economist at the Mortgage Bankers Association of America, 19.2 percent of the nation's home loans in 1993 went to minority-group members. By 1995, that share had risen to 22.2 percent.

--snip--

see full article.. Giving Credit Where Credit Was Denied - NYTimes.com

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Published: June 25, 2000

Lenders are not required to cancel the insurance for loans approved before July 29, 1999, when the Homeowners Protection Act took effect, but most do, if only to remain in the good graces of Fannie Mae and the similar federal agency, Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation or Freddie Mac. Because these two agencies set the standards for the mortgages they will buy, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have enormous influence over the mortgage market.
The Mortgage Market - Up, Down and Sideways - NYTimes.com

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Published: October 3, 1999

But it got greater impetus in 1994 when Fannie Mae, the nation's largest purchaser of mortgages from banks and other home-mortgage originators, introduced pilot programs to stimulate the home sales market in New York and Boston. Fannie Mae packages these loans with other mortgages as securities for sale to investors. Creating a market to which mortgage originators can sell their loans encourages them to lend more

There have been 14,000 Partnership home buyers since 1986, and more and more of the newer houses are three-families. Nowadays the loans are normally sold to Fannie Mae, and the underwriting for them follows Fannie Mae's standards.
1999 new york times
Easing the Rules for Mortgage Approval - NYTimes.com


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hmmmmmmmm

Keeping Homeowners in Their Homes - NYTimes.com

...In 1995, the Clinton Administration changed the law governing GSEs' mission -- the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) -- to encourage more lending in poor neighborhoods.

Previously, the CRA directed government to monitor banks' lending practices to make sure they did not violate fair lending rules in poor neighborhoods.
--snip--
....With the 1995 change, the government published each bank's lending activity and started giving bank ratings based primarily upon the amount of lending it performed in poor neighborhoods.
--snip--
These changes empowered community organizations, such as ACORN, to pressure banks to increase lending activities in poorer neighborhoods -- which involved reducing mortgage loan standards -- or face backlash from those organizations' private and political associates.
--snip--
For example, if Chase or BOA made 100 mortgages in a poor Chicago district, and Countrywide 150, the government would likely give Chase a lower CRA rating, and community organizers could pressure politicians to make it more difficult for Chase to get licensed to do full ranges of business in new areas of the country. Low CRA ratings could also disadvantage Chase with regard to government lending programs and make it more difficult for Chase to participate in mergers and acquisitions through Fannie Mae, the government controlled banks' mortgage lending activity rates.

Throughout the Congressional debate on GSE regulations in 2003-2005, senior Congressional Democrats repeatedly inferred -- even directly stated on at least one public occasion -- the US federal government would bail Fannie Mae out if required.

--snip-

In written law, the US government only 100% guarantees Ginnie Mae. The other major two GSEs, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, exist in more of a grey area. Nothing explicitly states the federal government is 100% behind them, but it has always been implied. That is why statements of top government officials in the run up to the bubble are so very important, as are actions like the US President personally appointing Fannie's CEO and directors.

From 1993-1999, the Clinton Administration replaced many of Fannie Mae's key executives, including the CEO, the CEO's number two, and nearly half the board of directiors. As a government sponsored enterprise (GSE), the President had the authority to make those appointments. The board, which increasingly consisted of Presidential appointments, incentivize them to reach higher mortgage targets. More specifically, the board promised senior executive millions in bonuses each year as long as Fannie reported certain earnings figures.

Just a quick reminder... Fannie's ability to reach earnings targets is directly related to the number of mortgages it buys, as long as those mortgages do not default or as long as Fannie executives do not recognize negative changes in the payment flow.

In fact, according to the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development, 14.9 percent -- or 2.1 million -- of all mortgages originated in the United States in 1999 went to subprime borrowers. ''Over 90 percent of subprime loans have been made in the last six years,'' Ms. Bayer said, ''and the subprime market has grown roughly 30 percent each year over the previous year during that time.''

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the CRA/ fannie/ freddie/ HUD/ and the FED(interest rates) had a FULL effect on ALL mortgages

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it purchases loans that banks make on what is called the secondary market(subprime).

directly from the new york times in 1999.




all links directly from liberal new York times...all before GS...all before bush, all show the culpability of fannie/Freddie/hud
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:19 AM
 
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You are.
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:34 AM
 
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Many people want to lay the majority of the blame on individuals who took on far more mortgage debt than they could realistically afford but let's face it - they could not have borrowed the money if the bankstas of Wall Street weren't creating those financial instruments wherein they sliced and diced those high risk loans and AIG wrote the insurance without bothering with that pesky little concept known as "due diligence".

Yeah, Joe borrower should have known better but the finance guys at the investment banks, with their MBA's DID know better and chose the bottom line of the short term high returns rather than careful investing. They were also the one's who lobbied hard to eliminate government regulation and oversight and to prevent any new efforts to examine what they were doing.

Try reading this book and see what you think when you're done:

http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Predat...ds=The+Monster

To lay most of the blame on the individual borrower is like blaming someone who gets robbed for being so stupid as to walk down that street in that neighborhood, rather than blaming the guy who committed the robbery.

I retired in Dec 2004 and sold my CA house a year later, mostly because I was ready for the next chapter of my life but in part because I know that the real estate bubble had to burst and I did not want to stay where I was for much longer. Now, I never finished college and was a blue collar worker all my life and if I could see the bubble and knew it couldn't last why the hell couldn't the people who ran companies like Goldman-Sachs, et al.

I think they did know, but just didn't give a crap, after all they were not the ones who were going to be foreclosed on or even lose their jobs, hell they got bonuses rather than jail time. In my opinion they did more long term harm to the nation and the world than Bin Laden and the 9/11 terrorists, they just did it with a pen, not a sword.

The bad news is that nothing has changed and it will happen again. Will we bail them out a second time or have the good sense to build a lot of gallows all along Wall St.?
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Old 06-11-2015, 05:24 AM
 
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A lot of people not just one political party or a group of investors but everyone who supported the change. In 2002 President George W. Bush called on Congress to create a $200 million American Dream Down-Payment Fund. It was almost a kind of wealth redistribution plan supported by both parties. Bottom line is it didn't work and was the major cause of the real estate collapse in 2008. I feel that in the media there is a lot of information that isn't reported and the republican party is the one that is quick to blame on many matters like this. Who do you think is to blame?
There is lot of factors here, you mention Bush. In 2003 he also called for more oversight of Freddie and Frannie.

The primary reason is greed and that starts with homeowner buying something they could not afford all the way through the entire system to the investor on the other end.


This started with the Exxon Valdez disaster, say what? After the Exxon Valdez disaster Exxon needed a multibillion dollar loan which they obtained from J.P. Morgan. The issue J.P. Morgan had was banking regulations dictated they needed X amount of assets to cover the loan which was going to tie up a lot of money they could be loaning to other people. Enter the derivative, they offloaded the risk onto investors which freed their own assets to make loans to other people.

Everyone is happy at this point. Exxon got their loan, J.P. Morgan collected their fees, they have plenty of money to loan to other people and the investors made a bundle of cash. This is all well and good because the chances of Exxon defaulting is zilch.

They expanded the use of this to other low risk loans.The issue is the banking industry continued to expand this practice into increasingly risky loans and that's where it went wrong. They were flush with cash to loan, people that should not have been able to get a loan were getting them and others were getting loans far beyond their means. You have banking regulators and credit agencies not doing their jobs. Last but not least investors taking risks on financial products they did not understand blinded by the dollar signs.

As the defaults mounted there is no assets to make good on the loan other than house that is worth far less than the loan.

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Old 06-11-2015, 05:28 AM
 
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I'm not going to quote all of Working Class Hero's post but for this part:

"the housing bubble/bust started in 1995 under Clinton"

Why only that? Because in 1995 we coming out of a similar, although less intense, housing bust. People had paid stupid money for houses the previous several years (a note: interest rates were way higher then. We bought a house in 1987 and felt fortunate we had a 10% mortgage).

No one wanted to see that again so interest rates were lowered and regulations loosened.

You also had an entire generation or so grow up through the early 21st Century who had never seen a recession, or at least a far reaching one. There was a blip one in 1991 which likely cost GHW Bush reelection and another one towards the end of Clinton's second term (as well as a brief one after 9/11) but for the most part the economy had hummed along since 1985 (give or take). Even the housing bust of 1990 or so didn't have that much of an impact, except for the previously mentioned election.
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Old 06-11-2015, 05:32 AM
 
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Mostly the bankers that were desperate to lend money to anybody that showed up because without the greatly expanded business the interest rates would have dropped to near zero. The fools were the people talked into buying way more then they could afford. That was another miracle of advertising and commission sales.

That set off a speculative housing market and, as typically happens in speculation, most lose and a few make huge profits.
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Old 06-11-2015, 05:44 AM
 
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The fools were the people talked into buying way more then they could afford.
My Brother who has a decent and solid job obtained a mortgage during this, somewhere around $150K. They offered him half a million, he just about fell over. He told them thanks but no thanks. He would have been working for the bank for half the year for the next 20 years.
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Old 06-11-2015, 05:45 AM
 
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Coalman - I had a similar experience as well. I also refused the loan.
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Old 06-11-2015, 05:52 AM
 
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If you read Reckless Endangerment by NYT business writer Gretchen Morgenson, probably the biggest culprit was Fannie Mae CEO James Johnson. He pushed for relaxed lending standards because it allowed him to manipulate his bonuses. It worked; he made about $100 million in just about a decade at Fannie.

The Bush admin actually did try to rein in Fannie, but was slapped down by her political allies in Congress. It could be argued that the admin should have tried harder, but the allies were using the race card, and understandably W Bush did not want to touch that hot stove.
Snow: Tighten Control of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac | Fox News

This article is from 2005, 3 years prior to the crisis.

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The remarks by President Bush's top economic official brought a rebuke from Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., who accused the administration of trying to "virtually eliminate" Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and using their recent accounting lapses as a pretext for doing so.
With the housing market functioning so robustly as an engine for economic growth, Schumer asked Snow, "Why are we radically changing" the two companies?
"We ought to proceed with a great deal of caution and maybe some humility," Schumer said. Other Democrats on the panel echoed his view.
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Old 06-11-2015, 06:07 AM
 
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A lot of people not just one political party or a group of investors but everyone who supported the change. In 2002 President George W. Bush called on Congress to create a $200 million American Dream Down-Payment Fund. It was almost a kind of wealth redistribution plan supported by both parties. Bottom line is it didn't work and was the major cause of the real estate collapse in 2008. I feel that in the media there is a lot of information that isn't reported and the republican party is the one that is quick to blame on many matters like this. Who do you think is to blame?

Amazing- George Bush is to blame?

Perhaps you should read a little and understand that liberal policy, through the "fair housing act" and repeal of Glass-Steagle, was like putting chum in shark infested waters.

Lest We Forget: Why We Had A Financial Crisis - Forbes

Oddly, Bush was one of the few who tried to rein in Fannie and Freddie, but was opposed by liberals.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123137220550562585
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