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View Poll Results: How should "average" people be supported if you do not feel that they are worthy of employ
Supported by government. Higher taxes will be paid by the hard-working above average people. 11 50.00%
They should be homeless and living on the streets. If they want money, they can sell drugs or partake in even worse crime. 11 50.00%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-22-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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A common theme on this board is that "average is over", that you need to be above average to get a job, and that "nobody owes you a job". It is often followed up with the same people saying that we are in a post-industrial society, or even a post-employment society.

What people forget is that, by mathematical definition, half of the population is always going to be below average. There is mathematically no way around that. Increasing the skills of the population as a whole only increases the threshold for what is average, and does not increase the number of people who are above average.

Furthermore, these same people like saying that average and below average people are "not their problem". But the truth is, like it or not, they are everybody's problem.

One solution is for all average and below average people who you feel don't deserve employment to be supported by the government. But does that really benefit anybody? It will mean more taxes taken away from the above average people who are working so hard, to support people who are willing and able to work, but are just not given a chance. But wouldn't you prefer to have such people being productive members on society? And, the people who say "average is over" are the same people who want the government to stop interfering with their lives.

The only other solution is to just have all average and below average people homeless and living on the streets. If they need money, they will be forced to deal drugs, or partake in even worse crimes. How does that benefit anybody at all? Again, wouldn't you prefer to have them being the productive members of society that they are willing and able to be?

The "average is over" people usually tell people that they need to retrain, relocate, and lower their expectations. But, as I said before, that does not help, and all it does is raise the bar. If we were at a point where everybody had a PhD in a STEM field from an elite college, and was willing to work 100 hours per week for the equivalent of minimum wage and no benefits, that would become the new average. The job requirement to clean toilets at McDonalds would become a PhD in a STEM field from an elite college. And, they would only hire men who are taller than 6 feet and women who are under 100 lbs to do the job.

If you have another solution besides the 2 that I listed, feel free to post it here. Also, whichever option you choose, please explain how your life is better because of that option than it would be if average people were able to be productive members of society. I did not offer "other" as an option, since then everybody would just check "other" as a cop-out.

 
Old 06-22-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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Govt aid to aid not entirely replace.... they can get fulltime aid in prison

I'm okay with aid if they are doing what they can for themselve, but aid doesn't guaranty a standard of life
 
Old 06-22-2015, 11:57 AM
 
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Govt aid to aid not entirely replace.... they can get fulltime aid in prison
But isn't the prison system still supported by the taxpayers.
 
Old 06-22-2015, 11:58 AM
 
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But isn't the prison system still supported by the taxpayers.
With a lack of freedom yes... if they don't want the freedom to make a life for themself then they can give it up for prison and a hot meal and bed
 
Old 06-22-2015, 12:15 PM
 
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With a lack of freedom yes... if they don't want the freedom to make a life for themself then they can give it up for prison and a hot meal and bed
The prison system is usually reserved for criminals, you just cant go check yourself into one. If that were the case, then we wouldn't have any room left for the criminals. I admit, I don't have the answers. However, a lot of below average people out there are making it, may not be easy but they are doing the best they can without help from the government. And on the other hand, you have some above average people out there with no jobs and some with jobs barely making it.
 
Old 06-22-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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I think that there are average employees everywhere nowadays.
The world isn't full of extremely ambitious people either so its unrealistic to say theres no room for the average employee and any one who says that is an EXTREME DEMANDING BOSS
They probably don't get promoted or much raises but they still have a job where you basically clock in and out. Simple
The government should support it as long as the job gets done and they do a reasonable well job done/meet the minimum requirement.

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Old 06-22-2015, 12:32 PM
 
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Wow, talk about a survey with an agenda. A good example of why survey results are generally worthless.
 
Old 06-22-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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Well the corporations still need people to buy their products and services. Having a huge portion of the population totally destitute would not be in their favor. Even if everyone gets some kind of basic income at least they still have money to put into the economy.
 
Old 06-22-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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Wow, talk about a survey with an agenda. A good example of why survey results are generally worthless.
So what would your answer be? What alternative do you propose?
 
Old 06-22-2015, 01:19 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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What people forget is that, by mathematical definition, half of the population is always going to be below average. There is mathematically no way around that. Increasing the skills of the population as a whole only increases the threshold for what is average, and does not increase the number of people who are above average.
Forget average, whether below or above. You just have to better than the people you're competing with for the job.
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