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That's irrelevant. The country that issues the hunting license is to blame if that's the case. Actually, without trophy hunting, lions would become extinct. Regulated hunting has proven to be essential to the conservation of endangered animals.
Is that illegal? If not, it doesn't matter. Almost all animal hunting are over baits.
If that's the requirement, all hunting should be banned. Nobody can obtain that kind of certainty. I frankly doubt you hunt anything. Unless he deliberately wounded the animal, imperfect shot is just part of hunting.
OK, fine. Is that illegal? If not, it doesn't matter.
That's a discriminating statement. All animals are beautiful in their own ways, and they should be treated the same.
Hogs are beautiful too! Why have a hog done to you? It's us, humans, invading their habitats, not the other way around.
It's a difficult concept for them to understand that killing an animal actually helps to protect the entire species; stop the killing, we would stop seeing those animals alive.
They're making money that they wouldn't make otherwise. I guess you prefer welfare, which is pretty scarce in Africa, they just let them starve.
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
Trophy hunting is a big supporting business for the locals and the conservation. You ban the hunting, we won't be seeing lions before long.
What a joke. Trying to justify trophy hunting in Africa based on economics is preposterous and ignorant.
Only 3% of revenue from trophy hunting makes it back to local villages.
On average, the ecotourism value of a big-five animal in Africa is 1000 times what it is to hunting.
Ecotourism feeds villages, while trophy hunting only lines the pocket of safari operators and corrupt government officials.
Botswana and Zambia both recently banned trophy hunting, and their lions are doing very well, thank you. Kenya banned it a long time ago. It's only a matter of time before the rest of Africa follows suit. I wouldn't at all be surprised if this incident pushes Zimbabwe over the edge to ban it. Their lions are worth millions of dollars to them, not thousands.
It's most people's dream to go to Africa and view these amazing creatures. I can't fathom the selfishness of those few that wish to destroy them. Fortunately their days are numbered.
That country is scum, the money that's made from tourists , zoos, hunters. Is suppose to go back into the community to help the people, it doesn't reach the people that need it , anyhow just because a tiger happens to have a name it makes a difference all of a sudden , tigers get shot all the time I don't think there endangered species .
What a joke. Trying to justify trophy hunting in Africa based on economics is preposterous and ignorant.
Only 3% of revenue from trophy hunting makes it back to local villages.
On average, the ecotourism value of a big-five animal in Africa is 1000 times what it is to hunting.
Ecotourism feeds villages, while trophy hunting only lines the pocket of safari operators and corrupt government officials.
Botswana and Zambia both recently banned trophy hunting, and their lions are doing very well, thank you. Kenya banned it a long time ago. It's only a matter of time before the rest of Africa follows suit. I wouldn't at all be surprised if this incident pushes Zimbabwe over the edge to ban trophy hunting too. Their lions are worth millions of dollars to them, not thousands.
It's most people's dream to go to Africa and view these amazing creatures. I can't fathom the selfishness of those few that wish to destroy them. Fortunately their days are numbered.
Where did you get that 3% from? Also where would the rest of 97% go?
Zambia banned trophy hunting? Yes, past tense as the ban has been lifted.
What a joke. Trying to justify trophy hunting in Africa based on economics is preposterous and ignorant.
Only 3% of revenue from trophy hunting makes it back to local villages.
On average, the ecotourism value of a big-five animal in Africa is 1000 times what it is to hunting.
Ecotourism feeds villages, while trophy hunting only lines the pocket of safari operators and corrupt government officials.
Botswana and Zambia both recently banned trophy hunting, and their lions are doing very well, thank you. Kenya banned it a long time ago. It's only a matter of time before the rest of Africa follows suit. I wouldn't at all be surprised if this incident pushes Zimbabwe over the edge to ban it. Their lions are worth millions of dollars to them, not thousands.
It's most people's dream to go to Africa and view these amazing creatures. I can't fathom the selfishness of those few that wish to destroy them. Fortunately their days are numbered.
Also the entire message of Botswana ban:
January 23, 2014 Press Release:
HUNTING BAN IN BOTSWANA – MESSAGE FROM PERMANENT SECRETARY of BOTWANA
The Ministry of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism wishes to inform the public about the ban on hunting of wildlife in all controlled hunting areas in Botswana with effect from January 2014. No quotas, licenses or permits will be issued for hunting of Part I and Part II Schedule game animals as listed in the Wildlife Conservation and National Parks Act.
Licenses will continue to be issued for game birds listed in Part III of the same Act subject to conditions to be determined by the Department of Wildlife and National Parks. Hunting in registered game ranches will not be affected by the ban.
The decision to temporarily ban hunting has been necessitated by available information which indicates that several species in the country are showing declines. The causes of the decline are likely due to a combination of factors such as anthropogenic impacts, including illegal offtake and habitat fragmentation or loss.
The suspension of hunting will allow my Ministry to work with all relevant stakeholders in understanding the causes of the decline and where possible, to put in remedial measures to reserve the trend.
My Ministry will continue to monitor wildlife trends using suitable methodologies and regularly update the public on the status of the wildlife resource.
The Ministry of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism would like to thank all members of the public for their cooperation.
The subject was that there is too much talk about this happening. I don't have to justify it or even care about it. I think it is not a newsworthy item. If they really want to do something that matters; get busy exposing the abortion clinics. That is something that matters.
I also don't think it is newsworthy that some movie stars relative died or the speculation of how she died. Neither do I care that the stars go places without many clothes on. I am very much getting the idea that what you care about in the news is very different from what I care about.
It is my feeling that most of the things that should be reported on, are not; so we end up with this garbage.
Yet here you are commenting about it, if this didn't matter to you, you would be ignoring it.
That country is scum, the money that's made from tourists , zoos, hunters. Is suppose to go back into the community to help the people, it doesn't reach the people that need it , anyhow just because a tiger happens to have a name it makes a difference all of a sudden , tigers get shot all the time I don't think there endangered species .
Tigers have never lived in the wild in Africa.
The thread is about an African Lion that was living in a sanctuary where he had become a popular tourist attraction. He was lured out of the park with bait, shot with an arrow to maim, then hunted for 40 hours until shot.
However, you are partially correct. Hunting does not help the local villages. But ecotourism does.
As far as countries being "scum" do you really think the money made by wealthy American corporations goes back to the people? I mean, billions are spent on political campaigns while some people have no money for food or shelter. So let's not pass judgment on other countries.
By the way, I hope people realize that Africa is a continent and we are only talking about Zimbabwe which is one of the countries on the continent of Africa.
"Government fees added to the costs of a Botswana hunting safari. Permits to shoot a lion or an elephant cost about $2,500. Prices rise exponentially when room, board and the cost of local guides are included. A 10-day leopard-hunting safari with an outfitter can cost more than $40,000. The prices may be prohibitive for all but the most affluent hunters, but the money adds up for Botswana. According to a 2007 study led by Peter Lindsey, a research fellow at the University of Pretoria who specializes in African wildlife conservation, hunting generates more than $20 million annually and sustains 1,000 rural jobs for the land-locked country.
Botswana, already known as a pricey destination for photographic safaris, is well positioned to attract affluent eco-tourists. But with the price of a week-long photo safari averaging $3,100 per week, the country will have to attract many more tourists to replace hunters, who spend almost $10,000 per week on average. For that reason, some doubt photographers can really make up for the cash trophy hunters bring to the country. "
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Trying to justify trophy hunting in Africa based on economics is preposterous and ignorant.
Tigers have never lived in the wild in Africa. 