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Old 08-06-2015, 08:50 AM
 
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I don't think you have even the slightest clue of what you talk about. We did not/have not "given Iran a nuclear bomb. Iran will become nuclear armed whether we like it or not - that is the REALITY. If you fail to see the "sanity" on this deal then it is not that deal, but YOU that is the problem.
riiiiigggghhht....


because handing Iran 100 BILLION DOLLARS is so not gonna help the greatest state sponsor of terror to.... .... .... SPREAD MORE TERROR....

and the deal which I have read extensively about, and listened to the president talk about gives Iran full control over inspections. that alone hands then capacity to do anything they want.

there is more. but hey I don't know what im talking about and you are brilliant. so

explain to me how this doesn't do exactly what I said it does?
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Old 08-06-2015, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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riiiiigggghhht....


because handing Iran 100 BILLION DOLLARS is so not gonna help the greatest state sponsor of terror to.... .... .... SPREAD MORE TERROR....

and the deal which I have read extensively about, and listened to the president talk about gives Iran full control over inspections. that alone hands then capacity to do anything they want.

there is more. but hey I don't know what im talking about and you are brilliant. so

explain to me how this doesn't do exactly what I said it does?
There is a great contradiction in his arguments. He claims the deal is a "good" deal but Iran will inevitably create nuclear bombs.
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Old 08-06-2015, 10:45 AM
 
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There is a great contradiction in his arguments. He claims the deal is a "good" deal but Iran will inevitably create nuclear bombs.
Just yesterday Mr. Obama stated that this deal would lead to Iran funding "things that are against our interests"

that's code for terror that will kill Americans.
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Old 08-06-2015, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Just yesterday Mr. Obama stated that this deal would lead to Iran funding "things that are against our interests"

that's code for terror that will kill Americans.
Because of the lifting of the sanctions. But that money is going to trickle down into the secular sector of Iran and a beautiful uprising will conquer the current regime and democracy and peace will prevail.

There is no way that the authoritarian regime wont use that money to continue its conquest of four Sunni capitals though.
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Old 08-06-2015, 11:25 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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If Iran has nukes, Israel cannot defend itself. 2 nukes will effectively remove Israel from existence.
1) That's a very large IF

2) Those same 2 nukes would effectively remove Iran from existence, what reason is there to believe that's their aim?
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Old 08-06-2015, 12:06 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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riiiiigggghhht....


because handing Iran 100 BILLION DOLLARS is so not gonna help the greatest state sponsor of terror to.... .... .... SPREAD MORE TERROR....

and the deal which I have read extensively about, and listened to the president talk about gives Iran full control over inspections. that alone hands then capacity to do anything they want.

there is more. but hey I don't know what im talking about and you are brilliant. so

explain to me how this doesn't do exactly what I said it does?
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Just yesterday Mr. Obama stated that this deal would lead to Iran funding "things that are against our interests"

that's code for terror that will kill Americans.



Yeh, I'll say it again: you have no idea what you are talking about. We are NOT "handing Iran 100 bn dollars" - saying as much means you just don't get it. Iran's assets are not sitting in a US bank waiting for us to hit the "send" button. Their assets are in countries like China, Russia, India (and others). That money will come back to Iran with or without a deal (because international sanctions will fall apart, either completely or partially either way).

Iran DOES NOT have "full control" over diddly squat. The agreement allows us full around the clock access to all declared sites. If we want to go somewhere else, we can. Iran cannot prevent it by the very nature of the voting balance. The US can also, on its own, trigger the "snapback" clause. You need to understand this (as do all the naysayers) - we have full access to their entire supply chain. Sanctions are only lifted when Iran complies with the conditions of the agreement - those of which are a huge rollback in its nuclear program. They simply cannot just create some secret facility and produce a nuclear weapon, nor can they just "sneak in" the materials needed. I think this point is somehow lost on those who criticize the deal, or talk about Iran cheating on it.

Now, this deal is about Iran's nuclear program - nothing else. Will Iran become the perfect ally in the region? No, of course not. But this is the best way forward in terms of changing its current behavior. (You should also note the level of support for activity against our interests in our other so-called allies too (wink wink).
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Old 08-06-2015, 12:11 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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There is a great contradiction in his arguments. He claims the deal is a "good" deal but Iran will inevitably create nuclear bombs.


Iran could produce a nuclear weapon under current sanctions (its program has advanced dramatically under them), and they will fall apart either way. They will also produce a nuclear weapon if we bombed them (in fact, it would be even more likely).

This simple point has been made by almost every rational person on earth. This deal, not only dramatically reduces Iran's nuclear program, but it offers "the best" chance of changing Iran's course toward a bomb.
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Old 08-06-2015, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Iran could produce a nuclear weapon under current sanctions (its program has advanced dramatically under them), and they will fall apart either way. They will also produce a nuclear weapon if we bombed them (in fact, it would be even more likely).

This simple point has been made by almost every rational person on earth. This deal, not only dramatically reduces Iran's nuclear program, but it offers "the best" chance of changing Iran's course toward a bomb.
Obviously not because the facts on the ground say otherwise. A security dilemma is starting to form.

Anyway, care to refute your previous post?
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Old 08-06-2015, 12:26 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Obviously not because the facts on the ground say otherwise. A security dilemma is starting to form.

Anyway, care to refute your previous post?


What? And no, I stand by all of them.
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Old 08-06-2015, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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What? And no, I stand by all of them.
Oh ok.. Well I guess I need to pay close attention again to your sources since you do not read them. And obviously you do not read mine even when they come from the GCC news outlet themselves. Confirmation bias plagues the forums.
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