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Old 08-22-2015, 10:23 PM
 
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Logic does not work that way. If you are anti 14th then you you are anti constitution
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Old 08-23-2015, 04:22 AM
 
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What about those that approve courts, including the SC, rewriting flawed Laws?

That's not their job you know.
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Old 08-23-2015, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Most idiotic thing I've seen here in a while. Are you anti Constitution if you drink alcohol since that amendment was repealed?
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Old 08-23-2015, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Arlington VA
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We need to re-visit the 2nd amendment as well.
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Old 08-23-2015, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The foot soldiers in the attack on the American Experiment; the front-line warriors in the folly known as "progressivism" -- are apparently getting desperate, and grasping at straws as more and more people recognize them for what they are.
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Old 08-23-2015, 05:47 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Logic does not work that way. If you are anti 14th then you you are anti constitution
Sorry, the law has nothing to do with logic.

The law is apart from logic and many examples of departure are prominent.

When a law is absued, not just not intended for why it was written, it is our obligation to change it. Otherwise we have created a legal system which will destroy us.It would be stupid not to close loopholes. Think of anchor babies as tax loopholes.

Anchor babies desperately needs revision and now!
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Old 08-23-2015, 05:49 AM
 
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Logic does not work that way. If you are anti 14th then you you are anti constitution
Same with the "anti-2nd amendment" crowd.
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Old 08-23-2015, 06:49 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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There is no reason to "gut" the 14th amendment, it has no real purpose today. It was just made to make blacks citizens in 1868 without fear that Congress would later change the law.
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Old 08-23-2015, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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And the test case involved an Irish lass who inherited a lot of money. Born here and was a citizen.

See Lynch V Clarke from 1844 prior to 14th. The State or Federal govt. cannot take away citizenship. Only the citizen can drop his or her citizenship. 14th was needed to protect those rights.

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Old 08-23-2015, 07:10 AM
 
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The 14th amendment never did give birthright citizenship to babies born here to illegals.

The amendment's "subject to the jurisdiction of" clause was introduced by Senator Howard, who said that jurisdiction would NOT apply to the babies of foreigners, aliens and diplomats.

The purpose of the 14th Amendment, passed just after the Civil War, was to give citizenship to former slaves.

Illegal immigrant activists and their many lawyer friends would have you believe that "subject to the jurisdiction of" merely means being in this country and subject to its laws. But if you're born in this country, that is already the case, so there is no need to add the clause unless it means something else.

Senator Howard spelled out the meaning: Babies born here to non-U.S. citizens who are citizens of other countries (foreigners, aliens, diplomats) are not subject to our jurisdiction, but to the jurisdiction of those other countries to which they owe their loyalty as citizens.

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the Constitution gives Congress the absolute and unfettered right to establish the rules for citizenship.

Democrat Senator Harry Reid sponsored a bill in 1993 to make it clear that anchor babies were not automatic citizens.

He would not have done that if the 14th Amendment forbade it.

Of course, Harry changed his mind when he realized the Democrats would get more Latino votes if they went easy on the illegals.
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