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[b]...Senate bill SB744 passed in July 2013 by a 68-32 bipartisan vote has every solution you want. The wall, increased border patrol, overhaul of the green card system, immediate deportation of all felons, e-verify-mandatory. It's all there folks. Everything you ask for..........except immediate deportation for every one.
We don't enforce the laws we have now.
What makes you think that anyone -- other than possibly Trump -- would enforce new laws?
And SB744 was so full of loopholes that you could drive a truck through them.
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...this hateful thread is one of the reasons I don't really post much here anymore. Coming to C-D, P&OC is like walking into a room full of poisonous vipers.
Be sure to stay away long enough for us to miss you.
The only people who should be angry are the people like me who are sick and tired of our laws not being respected and enforced.
No one is deporting eleven much less even five million illegals. It just is not logistically possible and would cost billions.
So what? Our government spends trillions.
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The last such large scale movement of persons were the Nazi Germany transports to death/horror camps. Rough estimates give fifteen to twenty million died at the various sites which means a much larger number actually were sent since there were survivors.
Deporting equals killing?
Interesting notion...
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Nazi Germany however had cooperation via the populace both within Germany and the invaded territories, lands and countries. It is not at all a certainty that every single state or local government in the USA would comply with any directive from Washington, DC. For that matter it is most certain various groups including local politicians would do everything in their power to thwart any such attempts. Without cooperation from local governments (more importantly their LE forces), any mass round up and deportation scheme is doomed to failure.
It should be done by the military.
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All this being said the above comments/suggestions about increasing fines, inspections and prosecutions for those hiring illegal aliens would likely have *some* impact. If things became too hot and a good number of aliens couldn't find work some *may* choose to return home.
However being as that may there would be a not small hit to local and national economies if mass numbers of illegals were suddenly gone.
Don't know about elsewhere but here in NYC a vast amount of the service sector from nail salons to restaurants/catering, food delivery and so forth depend upon illegal labor. Laundries, car washes, janitorial services, domestic help, food delivery and preparation, construction, landscaping, childcare, eldercare... the list goes on and on.
In the South and Mid-West you find the same plus agriculture, food/meat/poultry processing plants....
Everyone both democrat, republican and liberal has their hands in the employ illegal alien pie. Hundreds of housewives from Maine to California depend upon illegals for affordable domestic and childcare services. If those women go then Madame is stuck back at home cleaning it herself and taking of her own children instead of working.
Again cannot speak for everywhere but here in NYC the large presence of illegals has not only made many lazy (why walk one or two blocks to pick-up take-away when it can be delivered for "free"?), but access to services they otherwise could not afford, at least not often.
A recent NYT series exposed something many of us had long suspected; the scores of nail salons all over the City are often staffed with illegal aliens smuggled into the country. That large pool of cheap and often abused labor allowed the proliferation of nail salons to the point of saturation. I mean you have some streets/avenues with literally one or two on every block.
So the economy that we have now with illegal labor should stay even though the illegals are "often abused" in your words?
I thought you were concerned about the inhumane treatment of illegals?
Bottom line:
We have millions of unemployed able-bodied Americans, many on welfare.
Let them do the work -- mostly unskilled -- that illegals do.
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What gets me going is how quick Americans are in blaming anyone but themselves for any perceived national problem. If it isn't Latinos, its black people, brown people or it is Muslims or Chinese. They are blamed for taking our jobs, our money or just being different. The solution is just make them DISAPPEAR!
Many years ago Rod Serling dealt with how prejudices, fear and this grasping for scape goats can destroy a average community in a Twilight Zone episode called "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street". In his summary Rod noted " prejudices can kill, fear can destroy and scapegoating can be as toxic as fallout, and sadly these things are not confined to the Twilight Zone. Americans are no different than the people of Germany, Austria and many other European nations who acted on their prejudices, fears and scapegoated people for being different from 1933 to 1945. It is not meant to insult by bringing up such pure evil that didn't happen so long ago and that that no one is alive who lived through it but to genuinely take to heart two words "Never Forget". Anyone who advocates ethnic cleansing, mass deportations, torture or aggressive war is on his way to truly forgetting or never having learned so they could remember in the first place.
The Jews in Germany were not illegal immigrants.
They were not rioting and burning down whole neighborhoods just because a non-Jewish German police officer had the "nerve" to defend his own life.
They were not taking German jobs and living off German taxpayers.
They were not rioting and burning down whole neighborhoods just because a non-Jewish German police officer had the "nerve" to defend his own life.
They were not taking German jobs and living off German taxpayers.
So your comparison is a big "fail."
Who is rioting and burning down whole neighborhoods ? Are you talking Ferguson, Baltimore ? Those are not immigrants - illegal or otherwise. Who is taking the jobs of Americans ? Because Americans are lining up to clean office buildings or offer landscaping services or work in Nail Salons ?
I think it's your comparison failing.
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BTW - a mass deportation is impossible in the USA. We are not a police state and we guarantee due process . Furthermore, many of the people often thought of as illegal may be eligible for residency under special refugee clauses - i.e. Hondurans, Salvadorians, Cubans, Iraqis, Syrians, etc.
The first thing to do is revamp US immigration policy so it is clear and consistent then secure the borders - somethings neither a Democratic nor Republican controlled congress has been willing or able to accomplish.
Anyone wishing for an expedited mass deportation is in for a disappointment - regardless of who is elected.
Securing financing from private investors and using your own money to purchase land, hiring an architect and general contractor to erect a building are light years away from getting appropriations through Congress, and dealing with the fact that there is absolutely no way other than destroying the Bill of Rights to negate the due process clause which enables even an illegal immigrant to appeal their deportation. And that is before we start... I hate to say this...gestapo like raids throughout the country to ferret out illegal aliens in every community, and that is granting the fact that such raids would encourage a large number of illegals to just leave the country.
As for the dollars and cents look at the issue.
It currently costs the U.S. government $23,000 per deportation when you combine apprehension, detention and legal proceedings. That would come to $285 - $620 billion dollars over five years (some estimate that it would take 20 years) to accomplish such a program.
Some would argue of course that there would be savings due to reduced "welfare" benefits going to illegals. Obviously that would be true, however their is the additional cost to the economy, which some estimate would be shrink the labor force by 6.4% and would result in a $1.6 trillion dollar reduction in GDP.
The only post that matters in this trainwreck of a thread.
Still laughing at right-wingers wanting to spend billions to remove a sizeable portion of our workforce, thus plunging us into a recession. A lesson these economic wizards learned from GWB, perhaps?
Who is rioting and burning down whole neighborhoods ? Are you talking Ferguson, Baltimore ? Those are not immigrants - illegal or otherwise. Who is taking the jobs of Americans ? Because Americans are lining up to clean office buildings or offer landscaping services or work in Nail Salons ?
I think it's your comparison failing.
The person I was responding to was complaining about the treatment of black American citizens, not just illegal aliens.
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BTW - a mass deportation is impossible in the USA. We are not a police state and we guarantee due process.
We didn't when we imprisoned Japanese-Americans, German-Americans, and Italian-Americans during WW II -- with the approval of the Supreme Court.
And those were citizens!
In the meantime, President Eisenhower carried out a mass deportation.
It's time for another one.
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...many of the people often thought of as illegal may be eligible for residency under special refugee clauses - i.e. Hondurans, Salvadorians, Cubans, Iraqis, Syrians, etc.
They should not be eligible for anything if they came here illegally.
They are supposed to apply for refugee status in their own countries.
If they can get it after coming here illegally, then this is just another example of our government refusing to enforce its own laws.
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The first thing to do is revamp US immigration policy so it is clear and consistent
Why? It's clear and consistent now. We accept about a million legal immigrants a year.
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then secure the borders - somethings neither a Democratic nor Republican controlled congress has been willing or able to accomplish.
Secure the borders first, then we'll talk about everything else.
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Anyone wishing for an expedited mass deportation is in for a disappointment - regardless of who is elected.
Trump will send the military to the border.
The military will be ordered to round up and deport illegals in the interior of the country.
Trump as President will have a sworn duty to uphold and enforce the law of the land.
That law calls for the deportation of all illegals.
Eisenhower did it.
Trump will do it again.
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The person I was responding to was complaining about the treatment of black American citizens, not just illegal aliens.
We didn't when we imprisoned Japanese-Americans, German-Americans, and Italian-Americans during WW II -- with the approval of the Supreme Court.
And those were citizens!
Japanese Americans were not deported and we apologized for that. Germans and Italian AMERICANS were never locked up or deported. German and Italian nationals were treated as enemies - as everyone did.
As I said, The US is not a police state, no matter how much you seem to wish it were so. Regardless who wins the election there will be no mass deportations.
It seems it is you who would rather throw dirt on any realistic discussion than propose anything approaching a workable solution.
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