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So there's going to be debate on any treaty. For someone (not you) to say that debate is "obstructionist" or because they just don't like the President is ludicrous.
Only this is NOT a treaty.
From the OP link:
By design, the State Department is pushing for a broad political agreement that has buy-in from each country but won't carry the legal authority of a treaty — getting around the Constitution's requirement that treaties be ratified through a two-thirds vote in the Senate.
While it may seem like a good idea to sabotage negotiations with countries overseas just because you do not like the president, it sets bad precedents for later on. Seriously folks, you are harming our country long term for your short term goals.
Don't involve foreigners in our internal disputes.
Public argument is critical to reaching a consensus on issues. It is not acceptable to be told, 'we have to pass it to see what is in it".
the media determines winners and losers these days and are on obama's team. the repubs could have the most cogent argument backed with facts on any number of issues and if the media doesn't support it it goes nowhere.
to say the repubs have the power to sabotage obama is delusional. the media just suffocates the opposition. Meanwhile more harry reids stand up, tell lies and no repercussion. Why? the media happens to be looking the other way.
If media created obama is the greatest orator, why can he not convince anyone of anything except for his adent and rabid supporters? You'd figure if he had leadership ability and conviction, people would be eating out of his hand. Instead he employes lies and misleading statements to bypass any discussion with political opponents who lables obstructive.
By design, the State Department is pushing for a broad political agreement that has buy-in from each country but won't carry the legal authority of a treaty — getting around the Constitution's requirement that treaties be ratified through a two-thirds vote in the Senate.
So Obama seeks to avoid Constitution by calling it an "agreement". LOL
Seems like a bit much to be calling out those in Congress who might try to derail by speaking to the same governments.
Politics is supposed to stop at the water's edge. You can and should oppose a pact you're against in Congress, in the US press, wherever. But if you start communicating with foreign embassies on your own, that's crossing a different line.
A line democrats crossed long ago. I suppose you don't have a problem with Baghdad Jim though, right?
So there's going to be debate on any treaty. For someone (not you) to say that debate is "obstructionist" or because they just don't like the President is ludicrous.
You don't have a clue as to what I argued, do you? I pointed out what is happening here is no different than what happened with the Kyoto argument.
While it may seem like a good idea to sabotage negotiations with countries overseas just because you do not like the president, it sets bad precedents for later on. Seriously folks, you are harming our country long term for your short term goals.
Don't involve foreigners in our internal disputes.
All climates change, but man made climate change is BS.
No evidence, just phony false made up models to get the right outcome.
Add to that three years ago climate scientists were hacked and it was revealed all their data was bull something.
Obama has been on the wrong side of everything but two things. He has been our worst American President and there is no reason spineless Republicans should not try to stop some of the insanity.
Look, worry about polluting the drinking water, that is something we would all have common ground on.
In China 60% of their drinking water has become toxic, we don't want to do that .
Public argument is critical to reaching a consensus on issues. It is not acceptable to be told, 'we have to pass it to see what is in it".
the media determines winners and losers these days and are on obama's team. the repubs could have the most cogent argument backed with facts on any number of issues and if the media doesn't support it it goes nowhere.
to say the repubs have the power to sabotage obama is delusional. the media just suffocates the opposition. Meanwhile more harry reids stand up, tell lies and no repercussion. Why? the media happens to be looking the other way.
If media created obama is the greatest orator, why can he not convince anyone of anything except for his adent and rabid supporters? You'd figure if he had leadership ability and conviction, people would be eating out of his hand. Instead he employes lies and misleading statements to bypass any discussion with political opponents who lables obstructive.
Cannot believe you posted what you did.
This is a opinion post by me. I often stick to factual things, and debate those. But this one is my opinion. So believe it
I have absolutely no issue with debating this (the climate change agreement), or issues at all internally. But I dislike it when we bring our issues to our oversea partners. Basically-family squabbles should not involve outsiders.
Yes I do know democrats have done it before. I dont approve of it then, but whats happened now is particularly bad, both with the Iran situation, and now this one. We are damaging the ability of future presidents to negotiate-IE damaging one of their primary jobs. This sort of thing has long term consequences.
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