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Old 11-28-2015, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home Chicago!
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that the states do not have the right is kind of the point. As for the rest....yeah making life difficult for people fleeing ISIS sounds like such a American thing to do right?
unless they are ISIS? do you really believe we have the ability to properly vet these people? Who do they call for background checks? 1-800-alAssad?
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Old 11-28-2015, 06:52 PM
 
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unless they are ISIS? do you really believe we have the ability to properly vet these people? Who do they call for background checks? 1-800-alAssad?
Right.. There is no way to tell the good guys from the bad so how exactly do we expect to be able to tell the difference over there either?
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Old 11-28-2015, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It's the height of arrogance and presumption to assume that someone is a coward for opting out of charity because of potential danger.

To put it bluntly, we don't owe them anything so cowardice doesn't come in to play. We aren't obligated to take them in. If they were our own countrymen or family and we refused out of self preservation, you'd have a point.

Are we also "cowards" for not taking in all of the rest of the oppressed people on the planet? Why stop at the Syrians?

How many homeless people have you taken in lately? None? Why not? They are sleeping out in the cold and the rain and have nothing to eat. By the same logic, I could call you a coward for putting your self interests above the plight of others when you are able to help.


Bee stings are a potential danger, this discussion is regarding roughly 400 refugees going to Indiana that have been vetted and waited for 3 years to come to the US. They are already here and there have been no incidents so yes I would call that irrational fear, nothing new here.


Suddenly the argument has turned to homeless, poviding for them is suddenly mutually exclusive to caring for desperate Syrians, still waiting for a help the homeless thread.


Obviously the "potential" danger to American lives suddenly outweighs Syrian refugees lives, call it what you want, stay safe. France and Germany have reacted with compassion if this goes through it will be a sad day for the US.
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Old 11-28-2015, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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We kill his people and celebrate. Think about that for a minute.

Why is it wrong for him but noble for us?
It is always wrong to kill innocent people.
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Old 11-28-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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It is always wrong to kill innocent people.
We are unable to discern who is who.
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Old 11-28-2015, 08:09 PM
 
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Obviously the "potential" danger to American lives suddenly outweighs Syrian refugees lives, call it what you want, stay safe. France and Germany have reacted with compassion if this goes through it will be a sad day for the US.
I've asked a question regarding this in another similar thread and got no answers, so I'll try again..

Imagine you are camping with your family in a secluded cabin somewhere. There is a bad storm approaching and there are also a group of travelers outside, seeking shelter.
A few of the travelers might have a fatal, highly contagious disease but there is no good way to tell who may be infected because it shows no symptoms until it's too late.

The chances that a few of these travelers have this disease are exactly the same chances that there are terrorists among the Syrian refugees who seek to attack us on our soil.
Whatever you believe those chances are, imagine they are virtually the same.

So.. do you let the travelers into your cabin?
Would you gamble with your family's lives in the same way that you would ask other Americans to gamble with theirs?

If you approve of letting the Syrians in, I'd love to hear your honest answer.
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Old 11-28-2015, 08:10 PM
 
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Bee stings are a potential danger, this discussion is regarding roughly 400 refugees going to Indiana that have been vetted and waited for 3 years to come to the US. They are already here and there have been no incidents so yes I would call that irrational fear, nothing new here.


Suddenly the argument has turned to homeless, poviding for them is suddenly mutually exclusive to caring for desperate Syrians, still waiting for a help the homeless thread.


Obviously the "potential" danger to American lives suddenly outweighs Syrian refugees lives, call it what you want, stay safe. France and Germany have reacted with compassion if this goes through it will be a sad day for the US.
Sick of bleeding heart liberals who put foreigners above our national safety and think we have an endless pool of taxes, resources and jobs to support the world's poor and destitute while our own citizens do without out. I find it despicable that bleeding heart liberals have so little compassion for our own under these circumstances. Such hypocricy.
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Old 11-28-2015, 08:16 PM
 
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I've asked a question regarding this in another similar thread and got no answers, so I'll try again..

Imagine you are camping with your family in a secluded cabin somewhere. There is a bad storm approaching and there are also a group of travelers outside, seeking shelter.
A few of the travelers might have a fatal, highly contagious disease but there is no good way to tell who may be infected because it shows no symptoms until it's too late.

The chances that a few of these travelers have this disease are exactly the same chances that there are terrorists among the Syrian refugees who seek to attack us on our soil.
Whatever you believe those chances are, imagine they are virtually the same.

So.. do you let the travelers into your cabin?
Would you gamble with your family's lives in the same way that you would ask other Americans to gamble with theirs?

If you approve of letting the Syrians in, I'd love to hear your honest answer.
The scenario starts before that to be legit. Knowing that there are a group of people with a contagious disease, do you destroy their homes forcing them to find a new place to live or do you mind your own business and leave them alone?
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Old 11-28-2015, 08:17 PM
 
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Sick of bleeding heart liberals who put foreigners above our national safety and think we have an endless pool of taxes, resources and jobs to support the world's poor and destitute while our own citizens do without out. I find it despicable that bleeding heart liberals have so little compassion for our own under these circumstances. Such hypocricy.
What do you suppose the wars are costing?
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Old 11-28-2015, 08:30 PM
 
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Over 70% are women and children, people watch those Fox News pictures too much. The family turned away from Indiana was a mother, father and four year old.


This should really send a message to ISIS regarding our bravery.
This administration has turned down many Christians already here and have made them go back. Sometimes there is more to the story. One big issue is the President is pushing this way too hard for comfort with many Americans.


One thing that is the issue you are supporting tearing these people away from their country. Why is it Muslim/Arab nations are doing nothing? At least these people would be closer to their own culture than they are here. The government is not working for us or these refugees......withholding money if people say, "No" is bribery, not governing. Obama has done the same thing to the churches and people are blaming the churches for illegal immigration........when all along he is using bribery!


I have no idea how taking in refugees, makes us brave or not? ISIS is only out of control because this President allowed it.
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