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Most Americans now support sending in ground troops to defeat Islamic State (which in fact are already there and fighting in small numbers), as they are apparently realizing that we need to do this to defend ourselves and the rest of the free world, and as undesirable as this option is, that it is preferable to the alternative.
From CNN:
No!
Never!
Not with this idiotic president.
We already did this on his watch. Obama stuck with the Bush plan, we cleared out Iraq on Obama's watch, and he even declared 'We're leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq," and it was Obama's policies and actions that allowed ISIL to move in and undo everything.
Everyone hates them the isis—the West hates them, the Kurds hate them, the Iranians hate them, the Sunni powers hate them, and recently anyone governed by them hates them. Even al-Qaida hates them. This is an impressive list of enemies even by Middle Eastern standards.
And it helps explain why ISIS has demonstrated no capacity to expand beyond Sunni Arab areas. They are hopelessly outnumbered by their Shiite and Kurdish enemies, and facing a restive and angry Sunni population to govern.
Why not arming the kurds? The only boots on the ground should be the Muslim boots.
Back as far as the 90s, US Army scholars were writing about the continuing "cloud" of young Sunni Muslim warriors that initially formed from the Palestine intifada and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Muslim rebellions in Chechnya added to that, as well as numerous other conflicts in Muslim areas.
These were teenagers who had lost homes and families in their teens and became warriors for no cause other than Islam in general as their primary binding commonality. The primary factor is that these young men had never been farmers or shopkeepers...their lives had been derailed.
By the late 90s, this "cloud" of Sunni warriors had grown to a constant of about 20,000, drifting wherever there seemed to be an "Islamic war" to fight.
The Army scholars warned that if these teenagers grew into full manhood having never led normally peaceful lives, they would form a generational cohort of warriors that would never be able to live peaceful lives. Moreover, they were ripe for the strong Saudi-supported "outreach" of radical Wahabism, which promised them clarity over chaos.
But I wonder if it isn't a workable plan just to let northern Iraq be the permanent place to corral this cloud of "restless warriors"--as long as the rest of the world can find a way to starve it from the outside.
Name one time our military actions in the Middle East have made it a better place in the long run. I can't think of one that worked out in the long run. It mostly pizzes them off.
We need to leave those people alone and let them sort out their own problems. Terrorism is dealt with by not letting them in our country. It's an immigration, student visa, and surveillance issue, not a Dept of Defense issue.
In other words... do what Japan does. They don't do military things in Muslim countries and don't let Muslims immigrate into their country. No terrorism.
What does the West do? We constantly bomb Muslims and then allow Muslims to migrate to our lands. We have terrorism.
Apparently banning guns is what liberals think we need to do to stop terrorism in the US. Japan banned Muslims, and it's working for them. Are the libs going to jump on board with that too?
Back as far as the 90s, US Army scholars were writing about the continuing "cloud" of young Sunni Muslim warriors that initially formed from the Palestine intifada and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Muslim rebellions in Chechnya added to that, as well as numerous other conflicts in Muslim areas.
These were teenagers who had lost homes and families in their teens and became warriors for no cause other than Islam in general as their primary binding commonality. The primary factor is that these young men had never been farmers or shopkeepers...their lives had been derailed.
By the late 90s, this "cloud" of Sunni warriors had grown to a constant of about 20,000, drifting wherever there seemed to be an "Islamic war" to fight.
The Army scholars warned that if these teenagers grew into full manhood having never led normally peaceful lives, they would form a generational cohort of warriors that would never be able to live peaceful lives. Moreover, they were ripe for the strong Saudi-supported "outreach" of radical Wahabism, which promised them clarity over chaos.
But I wonder if it isn't a workable plan just to let northern Iraq be the permanent place to corral this cloud of "restless warriors"--as long as the rest of the world can find a way to starve it from the outside.
No, the longer we allow ISIL to coordinate and train new recruits, the longer and more difficult our war with them will continue to be.
Obama should have never allowed ISIL to cross into IRAQ. Then again there were a lot of mistakes Obama made with regards to Iraq.
Back as far as the 90s, US Army scholars were writing about the continuing "cloud" of young Sunni Muslim warriors that initially formed from the Palestine intifada and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Muslim rebellions in Chechnya added to that, as well as numerous other conflicts in Muslim areas.
These were teenagers who had lost homes and families in their teens and became warriors for no cause other than Islam in general as their primary binding commonality. The primary factor is that these young men had never been farmers or shopkeepers...their lives had been derailed.
By the late 90s, this "cloud" of Sunni warriors had grown to a constant of about 20,000, drifting wherever there seemed to be an "Islamic war" to fight.
The Army scholars warned that if these teenagers grew into full manhood having never led normally peaceful lives, they would form a generational cohort of warriors that would never be able to live peaceful lives. Moreover, they were ripe for the strong Saudi-supported "outreach" of radical Wahabism, which promised them clarity over chaos.
But I wonder if it isn't a workable plan just to let northern Iraq be the permanent place to corral this cloud of "restless warriors"--as long as the rest of the world can find a way to starve it from the outside.
Interesting.
Let's not forget that Kurdish gains are really impressive and remarkable given the lack of American support. The U.S. and allies gave the kurds obsolete rifles, a few dozen armored vehicles, and no tanks.
Mr. O does not want to give the Kurds aids because of the state department's one iraq policy.
ISIl was worried about persh merga, and has responded with chemical weapon.
Given that the Kurds have accomplished so much with so little, a properly trained and equipped Kurdish army would likely inflict significant damage on the isil. Plus, with Russian's increasing military intervention in the middle east, to arm kurdish army simply makes more sense to me.
I say no freakin way!!! let the Islamic countries clean their own dirty laundry..
I agree 100% but would add under no circumstances should we ever allow one single Muslim into the United States for any reason whatsoever. This includes the dirt types of Saudi princes and rulers. They all stay away and out!
I know, this includes the United Nations and if they want to address the United Nations I would suggest we move that to a more tolerant country.... France for example.
Anyone that wants to send troops over there is an idiot. And I say this as a 4 time war zone vet. I equate this to doing someone's homework over and over for them because they don't care about their own grade. Let them flunk the class and go to summer school.
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Too late!
