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View Poll Results: Best collapse?
Left Wing 14 35.90%
Right Wing 5 12.82%
Nonpartisan Civil Unrest 7 17.95%
Withdrawal of Consent 10 25.64%
Other (explain in post) 3 7.69%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-12-2015, 02:00 AM
 
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Which Collapse is best for America?

In all cases, unpaid public servants walk off jobs, massive downsizing of remaining government, breakdown in tax collection, collapse of the socialist entitlement system, lack of funding for the prisons forcing premature release, and the end of all public pensions.

  1. • _ Left wing {Collectivist} driven collapse of the country, due to recipients outvoting donors, taxpayers reaching the breaking point, resulting in the end of all government entitlements, pensions, and benefits.
  2. • _ Right wing {Usurer / Banker} driven collapse of the country, due to deficit spending, interest charges and the money drought insufficient to meet the needs of the economy. Widespread debtor defaults. Protests over confiscation of pledged collateral.
  3. • _ Civil unrest {Partisans, Factions, Ideologists, Predators} sparking riots, road blocks, highway robbery, pockets of martial law and economic collapse. Breakdown in transportation and resupply. Roaming bands of marauders, robbing and pillaging and worse.
  4. • _ Withdrawal of consent, resulting in the restoration of endowed rights, powers, and liberties, not subject to ad valorem nor excise taxes. Withdrawal from FICA results in collapse of the Federal Reserve Note (insufficient capitalization by “human resources” / “contributors”), and the voiding of the public debt on grounds of fraud.

Billionaires become zero-aires. Paper wealth vanishes. Insufficient bullion to return to a precious metal based coinage system. Infrastructure is not maintained. Things fall apart. Martial law collapses, as the military is not paid, and goes home to protect family.

If you don't have it, can't make it, you'll do without it.

Will endowed natural rights, and liberties, natural and personal, survive the collapse?

Or will the Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic of America arise from the ashes, promising to give all things, by taking away all things?

 
Old 12-12-2015, 02:04 AM
 
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(In best ominous voice over)

Coming soon to a theater near you.
 
Old 12-12-2015, 05:06 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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What could possibly cause collapse, you ask?
>>><<<
[] 44% aggregate tax load (and growing).
[] Congress borrowing MORE than it pays for servicing existing debt (What Bernie Madoff was jailed for doing in the private sector).
[] Worthless Federal Reserve Notes underwritten by 320 million human resources, via FICA, who might decide to “walk away.”
[] Burgeoning growth in the “Taker” category (60% of American families are dependent upon government for salaries, pensions and / or entitlements)
[] State of Emergency (since 1933) that has bypassed the USCON and has culminated in a crisis of confidence.
[] Deliberate divisive agitation to destroy unity and force people into antagonistic rival interest groups.

Then there's the "funny munny" issue - - -

FRB: How much U.S. currency is in circulation?
Q: How much U.S. currency is in circulation?
A: There was approximately $1.34 trillion in circulation as of January 7, 2015, of which $1.29 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes.

=> DIVIDE $1.3 trillion by 320 million population (March 2015)
=> $4,031.25 (dollar bills) per capita in circulation

Do you see the problem?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ..._United_States
". . . The financial position of the United States includes assets of at least $269.6 trillion and debts of $145.8 trillion to produce a net worth of at least $123.8 trillion."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...federal_budget
● 2014 Federal Deficit : $1,086 billion
● 2014 Debt Service : $229 billion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_U...federal_budget
● 2014 Federal Budget $3.5 trillion
. . . . versus
● $1.29 trillion in circulation.

>> The amount of "legal tender" in circulation is $1.29 trillion.
>> The Federal government spends $3.5 trillion.
>> It borrowed $1.09 trillion and paid $0.23 trillion in interest.

SOMETHING.DOES.NOT.COMPUTE.

There is not enough "funny munny" in this system.
(When the "music" stops, there are not enough "chairs" for everyone)

In the beginning, governments were instituted among Americans to secure endowed rights to life, liberty and property ownership, and that was that.
Anything more required consent of the governed.
Hopefully, after the collapse, that simple government will be restored.
 
Old 12-12-2015, 05:24 AM
 
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Another way of looking at it:
● CIRCULATING : 1.3 trillion dollar bills (not dollars)
● FEDERAL BUDGET : 3.5 trillion (dollar bills)
● PUBLIC DEBT : $18 trillion (dollars)
● PRIVATE DEBT : $145.8 trillion (dollar bills)
How do you pay off $18+ trillion dollar public debt and $145.8 trillion dollar bill private debt with only $1.29 trillion dollar bills in circulation?

Can’t just “print more up.” Each FRN is an IOU, a debt, authorized by Congress’ deficit spending. (You didn’t think they ran up red ink for no reason, did you?)

Coining all the gold bullion in Fort Knox only comes to $2.9 billion dollars (gold). Which is certainly insufficient for paying off an 18+ trillion debt. (By the way, exactly what did CONgress borrow?)

Did someone " cook the books "?
You can better appreciate their haste in disarming the American people, ASAP.
 
Old 12-12-2015, 05:45 AM
 
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The bigger problem might be the overvalued dollar increasing in value even more. That just causes more imports to flood in and hurts exports.
 
Old 12-12-2015, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Let the Lefties take the lead; that way, they can answer for it (which warms my cold, capitalistic heart).

We who live in places where we know our neighbors (and they're not necessarily "Mayberry towns") will know how to identify and protect our own (and whining by the "progressives" to the contrary, race hasn't got that much to do with it).

Besides which, I'm fairly sure that some form of martial law (whether by regular Army, National Guard, or a combination of the two), would be imposed in all but the most polarized (or ungovernable -- e. g: inner-city Detroit) localities. Most people are insecure and would accept this. Events like Katrina and 9/11/01 provided some food for thought, but I'm sure that the people analyzing these things aren't encouraged to talk freely about it.

The real question would be "How do we restore the liberties and safeguards which evolved from over two centuries of the rule of Constitutional law?" (hopefully, without the "help" of the kiddies over there in the Big Playpen)?

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Old 12-12-2015, 06:18 AM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
Which Collapse is best for America?

In all cases, unpaid public servants walk off jobs, massive downsizing of remaining government, breakdown in tax collection, collapse of the socialist entitlement system, lack of funding for the prisons forcing premature release, and the end of all public pensions.

  1. • _ Left wing {Collectivist} driven collapse of the country, due to recipients outvoting donors, taxpayers reaching the breaking point, resulting in the end of all government entitlements, pensions, and benefits.
  2. • _ Right wing {Usurer / Banker} driven collapse of the country, due to deficit spending, interest charges and the money drought insufficient to meet the needs of the economy. Widespread debtor defaults. Protests over confiscation of pledged collateral.
  3. • _ Civil unrest {Partisans, Factions, Ideologists, Predators} sparking riots, road blocks, highway robbery, pockets of martial law and economic collapse. Breakdown in transportation and resupply. Roaming bands of marauders, robbing and pillaging and worse.
  4. • _ Withdrawal of consent, resulting in the restoration of endowed rights, powers, and liberties, not subject to ad valorem nor excise taxes. Withdrawal from FICA results in collapse of the Federal Reserve Note (insufficient capitalization by “human resources” / “contributors”), and the voiding of the public debt on grounds of fraud.

Billionaires become zero-aires. Paper wealth vanishes. Insufficient bullion to return to a precious metal based coinage system. Infrastructure is not maintained. Things fall apart. Martial law collapses, as the military is not paid, and goes home to protect family.

If you don't have it, can't make it, you'll do without it.

Will endowed natural rights, and liberties, natural and personal, survive the collapse?

Or will the Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic of America arise from the ashes, promising to give all things, by taking away all things?

I think it is likely you'll see scenarios 1,2, and 3 happening simultaneously. Probably with the emphasis on #3 (sadly)

Withdrawal of consent, requires that the people understand that they have given consent that may be withdrawn, in the first place. Lack of awareness of the true nature of their indenture, is the issue that will have to brought to the fore, long before natural rights, and liberties can be restored.

With the current state of affairs, I doubt the vast majority will come to any such awareness soon.

CN.......
 
Old 12-12-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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Obama, Congress avert shutdown, focus on taxes, spending | MSNBC
On the eve of the Dec. 11 deadline, Congress averts shutdown
TO
DECEMBER 16th.
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Oh, and we're not heading for any economic disaster, they reassure us all.
 
Old 12-12-2015, 07:58 AM
 
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Should I buy more ammo for my Crossman pellet gun?
 
Old 12-12-2015, 08:03 AM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
Which Collapse is best for America?

In all cases, unpaid public servants walk off jobs, massive downsizing of remaining government, breakdown in tax collection, collapse of the socialist entitlement system, lack of funding for the prisons forcing premature release, and the end of all public pensions.

  1. • _ Left wing {Collectivist} driven collapse of the country, due to recipients outvoting donors, taxpayers reaching the breaking point, resulting in the end of all government entitlements, pensions, and benefits.
  2. • _ Right wing {Usurer / Banker} driven collapse of the country, due to deficit spending, interest charges and the money drought insufficient to meet the needs of the economy. Widespread debtor defaults. Protests over confiscation of pledged collateral.
  3. • _ Civil unrest {Partisans, Factions, Ideologists, Predators} sparking riots, road blocks, highway robbery, pockets of martial law and economic collapse. Breakdown in transportation and resupply. Roaming bands of marauders, robbing and pillaging and worse.
  4. • _ Withdrawal of consent, resulting in the restoration of endowed rights, powers, and liberties, not subject to ad valorem nor excise taxes. Withdrawal from FICA results in collapse of the Federal Reserve Note (insufficient capitalization by “human resources” / “contributors”), and the voiding of the public debt on grounds of fraud.

Billionaires become zero-aires. Paper wealth vanishes. Insufficient bullion to return to a precious metal based coinage system. Infrastructure is not maintained. Things fall apart. Martial law collapses, as the military is not paid, and goes home to protect family.

If you don't have it, can't make it, you'll do without it.

Will endowed natural rights, and liberties, natural and personal, survive the collapse?

Or will the Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic of America arise from the ashes, promising to give all things, by taking away all things?
Hard to tell difference between the left and right in America anymore or at least what passes for republicans and democrats...I think its going to be a mixture of all 4 of those things. First mixture of the left/right causing the initial collapse and then people/states/cities taking advantage and declaring independence or just going to their own currency,law enforcement etc.
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