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Old 01-03-2016, 01:13 PM
 
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Government's role in capitalist innovations.




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Old 01-03-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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Government's role in capitalist innovations.




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No more than can be drowned in a bathtub. The evidence is 19th century US, when innovation abounded, but federal spending was less than 5% of gdp.
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Old 01-03-2016, 01:45 PM
 
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No more than can be drowned in a bathtub. The evidence is 19th century US, when innovation abounded, but federal spending was less than 5% of gdp.
There is FAR more innovation now then in the 1900's. So I am not sure what you are trying to say.

And the support structure needed for that is also far larger, I suppose you'd prefer we just all worked on farms, and communicated via snail mail?
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Old 01-03-2016, 02:24 PM
 
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There is FAR more innovation now then in the 1900's. So I am not sure what you are trying to say.

And the support structure needed for that is also far larger, I suppose you'd prefer we just all worked on farms, and communicated via snail mail?
The 19th century is not the 1900's. Either way, there was big innovation w/o big gov't. Edison, McCormick, Ford, Wright bros, etc. Thomas Edison got his start selling newspapers on trains as he travelled around the country at around age 12. Today he would be busted for child labor law and placed in a home, where he would be urged to undertake gender and diversity studies.
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Old 01-03-2016, 02:38 PM
 
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The 19th century is not the 1900's. Either way, there was big innovation w/o big gov't. Edison, McCormick, Ford, Wright bros, etc. Thomas Edison got his start selling newspapers on trains as he travelled around the country at around age 12. Today he would be busted for child labor law and placed in a home, where he would be urged to undertake gender and diversity studies.
So? We still have FAR more innovation going on now. You are deflecting.
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Old 01-03-2016, 02:39 PM
 
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The 19th century is not the 1900's. Either way, there was big innovation w/o big gov't. Edison, McCormick, Ford, Wright bros, etc. Thomas Edison got his start selling newspapers on trains as he travelled around the country at around age 12. Today he would be busted for child labor law and placed in a home, where he would be urged to undertake gender and diversity studies.
There were 41850 patents issued in the US in 1914. One hundred years later, under big repressive government, there were 158709.
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Old 01-03-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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There were 41850 patents issued in the US in 1914. One hundred years later, under big repressive government, there were 158709.
If your numbers are correct, you make my point.


In 1914 we had less than one third of current population. We didn't have swarms of lawyers and 'patent trolls' yet we had a per capita patent rate not much less than today.
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Old 01-03-2016, 04:33 PM
 
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If your numbers are correct, you make my point.


In 1914 we had less than one third of current population. We didn't have swarms of lawyers and 'patent trolls' yet we had a per capita patent rate not much less than today.


The patent information is just one of MANY indications of the massively increased innovation. Im amazed that you even try this argument.

You're wrong. Im sorry you cannot accept the reality of that, as the facts dont meet your fantasy.
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Old 01-03-2016, 04:41 PM
 
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So? We still have FAR more innovation going on now. You are deflecting.
You are the one deflecting from your not knowing the difference between the 19th cent and the 1900's. Regardless, there is terrific innovation going on now, but there was also terrific innovation in the 19th century, prior to the rise of leviathan gov't
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Old 01-03-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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The growth of government employees, people on disability, unemployment and welfare assistance along with over reaching government laws regarding all businesses and materials are choking the country and economy.

Good ideas are the ones where you get less of things in some cases. Meaning the poor and debt of the family and country.

We need to reduce government employees by over 80%.
We need workfare on the way to employment and drastically minus food need to stop supporting single family breeding unless they can pay for it.

Less over reaching taxes and rules restricting employment and preventing businesses from being profitable.

This all goes over into innovation as well. How can you create and dream and find you have to pay an $800 tax for a licence before you breath?

I am not against social saftey nets of the most limited kind. Exceptions for only the extremely disabled and elderly should be considered IMO.

It isn't that Capitalism doesn't work, it's all the creeping socialism/communism that the left pushes to maintain power that is destructive to our nation IMO.
It has gotten into the Republican establishment as well at this point. So we need to vote a lot of bums out from all sides of the political spectrum IMO.
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