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Old 02-02-2016, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I agree. I picked them and cut and paste the links. They lead me back to such incredible websites as NOAA, AGU - American Geophysical Union, and other questionable sites.
Well now you've stooped to flat out lying. I guess when you have nothing else you lie. None of these took me to NOAA. Where do you come up with this s***?
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Old 02-02-2016, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Well now you've stooped to flat out lying. I guess when you have nothing else you lie. None of these took me to NOAA. Where do you come up with this s***?
For a man of science, you are obviously clueless about this invention called the Internet. You've been brainwashed that anything from any source not approved by your master is bad. Let me explain how it works:

NOAA or NASA posts a graph. Or a set of data. They post it on their web server. Maybe some other guy wants to link to the data. He might hot link. He might direct link. The risk is that web servers and pages change frequently. Or maybe he wants to annotate the data. Another option is to print the data and source the data on the graph or citation. Scientists do this - it's called a bibliography. He can then post the data on another server. If you click on it, it might not point to NOAA anymore. Guys like you look at where it's hosted and immediately trash the source. You use terms like "denier" or "blogger" or even "conspiracy nut". You discount the data because of the messenger or where it's hosted. It's still valid data.

I don't expect you to understand something as complicated as the Internet - Al Gore invented it and it's really complicated.
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Old 02-02-2016, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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For a man of science, you are obviously clueless about this invention called the Internet. You've been brainwashed that anything from any source not approved by your master is bad. Let me explain how it works:

NOAA or NASA posts a graph. Or a set of data. They post it on their web server. Maybe some other guy wants to link to the data. He might hot link. He might direct link. The risk is that web servers and pages change frequently. Or maybe he wants to annotate the data. Another option is to print the data and source the data on the graph or citation. Scientists do this - it's called a bibliography. He can then post the data on another server. If you click on it, it might not point to NOAA anymore. Guys like you look at where it's hosted and immediately trash the source. You use terms like "denier" or "blogger" or even "conspiracy nut". You discount the data because of the messenger or where it's hosted. It's still valid data.

I don't expect you to understand something as complicated as the Internet - Al Gore invented it and it's really complicated.
If what you say is true, then why don't the graphs you link to match the ones found on the sites you say is the source?

For instance this one... http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a...7ddce57970d-pi

The fine print at the bottom says source globalresearch.ca, and also says additional info added by c3headlines. Both of these are denialist blogs...This graph is bs, as are the others you linked to.

Here is a list of sites that includes those that fudge climate change data and should be avoided by anyone who wants to be taken seriously... Awesome Library - Science - Catastrophic Climate Change - Climate Change Deniers
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Old 02-02-2016, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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You linked to a blog to prove your point about blogs?
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Old 02-02-2016, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Houston
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For a man of science, you are obviously clueless about this invention called the Internet. You've been brainwashed that anything from any source not approved by your master is bad. Let me explain how it works:

NOAA or NASA posts a graph. Or a set of data. They post it on their web server. Maybe some other guy wants to link to the data. He might hot link. He might direct link. The risk is that web servers and pages change frequently. Or maybe he wants to annotate the data. Another option is to print the data and source the data on the graph or citation. Scientists do this - it's called a bibliography. He can then post the data on another server. If you click on it, it might not point to NOAA anymore. Guys like you look at where it's hosted and immediately trash the source. You use terms like "denier" or "blogger" or even "conspiracy nut". You discount the data because of the messenger or where it's hosted. It's still valid data.

I don't expect you to understand something as complicated as the Internet - Al Gore invented it and it's really complicated.
Oh ok now they suddenly don't point to where you said they pointed. Got it.
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Old 02-02-2016, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You linked to a blog to prove your point about blogs?
LOL....It is an educational site...Why am I not surprised that you didn't recognize that?
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Old 02-02-2016, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Oh ok now they suddenly don't point to where you said they pointed. Got it.

The data still sources to NOAA. You are either really obtuse or really infraction worthy.
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Old 02-02-2016, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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This NOAA graph says there is no slowdown but I don't believe it because I pulled the link from a well-known conspiracy site:

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/news/recen...warming-hiatus
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Old 02-02-2016, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Soooo why are you here, anything of substance?


I was about to ask you the same question.




Since 1964, the stratosphere has cooled four degrees F largely due to the presence of Ozone destroying cfcs.


More UV light reaching the surface means warmer surface temperatures.


The chemicals in question have already been banned but it will take time for what is already in the atmosphere to work its way out.


While we wait for that to happen, enjoy the mild winters and shut the **** up.




https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...ic-temperature
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Old 02-02-2016, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I was about to ask you the same question.




Since 1964, the stratosphere has cooled four degrees F largely due to the presence of Ozone destroying cfcs.


More UV light reaching the surface means warmer surface temperatures.


The chemicals in question have already been banned but it will take time for what is already in the atmosphere to work its way out.


While we wait for that to happen, enjoy the mild winters and shut the **** up.




https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...ic-temperature
Sorry, but you are mistaken....

The ozone hole, however, is not the mechanism of global warming. Ultraviolet radiation represents less than one percent of the energy from the sun—not enough to be the cause of the excess heat from human activities. Global warming is caused primarily from putting too much carbon into the atmosphere when coal, gas, and oil are burned to generate electricity or to run our cars. These gases spread around the planet like a blanket, capturing the solar heat that would otherwise be radiated out into space. (For more detail on the basic mechanism of global warming, see carbon dioxide FAQ.)

Because our atmosphere is one connected system, it is not surprising that ozone depletion and global warming are related in other ways. For example, evidence suggests that climate change may contribute to thinning of the protective ozone layer.

Is There a Connection between the Ozone Hole and Global Warming? | Union of Concerned Scientists
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