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Old 02-15-2016, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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How can common people find these statistics??

BLS has them but i don't think they would release at all.

I'd like to get my hands on that data

How many millennials are not working, that would be great insight.

We know a lot of boomers are not retiring so this should put pressure on millennials.
How? cachibatches made the below assertion:

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Except that this is all a lie and we have covered it in any number of threads. A good deal of the decline in workforce participation comes from chronically unemployed millenials who have given up seeking work. It is not a secret and you could find a half a dozen news articles on it yourself with a five second google search. Your probelm is that you have some kind of silly "fact graph" from MSNBC or something.

Try going to Realclearpolitcs and Realcelarmarkets every day and reading a variety of articles from around the world and see how quickly your lefty worldview collapses.
cachibatches says the information is easily available. If so, it shouldn't be hard to find. I actually think that the assertion is pulled from thin air.
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Old 02-15-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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Donald blasts "phony" unemployment figures!!



Why Trump Thinks Unemployment Is 42% | Zero Hedge

He's going to be the greatest jobs president god ever created

Go Donald!!!
Have y'all ever considered that unemployment figures are accurate, they just aren't measuring what you think they're measuring?
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Old 02-15-2016, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Have y'all ever considered that unemployment figures are accurate, they just aren't measuring what you think they're measuring?
NO! Impossible! Inconvenient numbers, absent any real evidence that they are contrived, must be contrived.
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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So? He says that unemployment is higher? What does that mean to me? What is he going to do about it? Sure maybe he's going to stop illegal immigration which might help but that isn't going to solve the problem completely. He's shown himself to be an "ist" of all kinds: racist sexist and ablest. Why bother acknowledging it when I know he is not for a person like me since I am a woman with a glitched brain?

I don't know why people follow him. They either support him or they obsessively pay attention to him because they hate him. He's just some ignorant buffoon..not worth the attention that he gets.
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:59 AM
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How can common people find these statistics??

BLS has them but i don't think they would release at all.

I'd like to get my hands on that data

How many millennials are not working, that would be great insight.

We know a lot of boomers are not retiring so this should put pressure on millennials.
Laziness on your part does not constitute a conspiracy to hide the data on the part of BLS.
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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Laziness on your part does not constitute a conspiracy to hide the data on the part of BLS.
So what's the number??

I'm not an expert on databases.
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:26 AM
 
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U-6 has dropped remarkably too. It was 17% and now is 9.9%.

U-6 graph
Not denying that....but which is more accurate, the U3 or the U6?
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Not denying that....but which is more accurate, the U3 or the U6?
They both have the same accuracy and they are both showing a multiple year improvement in the number of unemployed.
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:33 AM
 
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They both have the same accuracy.
To a point....what would you rather believe the U3 or U6, just because someone has stopped looking for work they should not be counted as unemployed?
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Old 02-15-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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To a point....what would you rather believe the U3 or U6, just because someone has stopped looking for work they should not be counted as unemployed?
I have no problem balancing the 2 indicators. If they were diverging in their trend lines then I think it would require a closer look. However, they are both indicating an improving employment situation.

Since 1994 the BLS has tracked those who are not looking but want a job. It it high of just over 7 million in 2012. Since then the number has also been trending downwards its now under 6 million. The best it was ever recorded was in the low 4 million range.

I have no problem with even the U6 number not including people who are not looking.

I suppose the BLS could add another number, say the U7, which includes people who are not looking but what a job. Doing so would add increase the rate by roughly 3.6%. However the trend line for this new number would still show an improving situation.

What I find disingenuous are those who wish to compare a prior U3 rate with some new number of their own calculation (U6+). Which is what Stockman did with his calculation arriving at 40%+ unemployment. Anyone claiming UE is 20%+ is adding in individuals who previously would have never been included in the UE calculation.
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