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Here is year by year stats on education levels for dems, republicans, independents.
It only goes to 2008, but you can see that Repubs passed up Dems for college graduates - 37% to 34% Republicans were the higher educated in 2008.
51% of Dems don't graduate from high school compared to only 25% Repubs.
But then Dems have higher %HS graduates, but doesn't make sense if there's higher republican college graduates.
The problem is that education levels are meaningless. The vast majority of college graduates are from lower quality schools. We should only be considering graduates from good schools.
I know many deeply Christian people that are given great comfort by their faith. I envy the believers that extend help and goodness to all. I have no envy for the hateful that would force their beliefs on me to assuage their own uncertainty.
As an Atheist that does not believe any gods exist I am living in a completely indifferent universe dominated the laws of energy, gravity and space time. I know that universe will not answer any of my pleas for special consideration of forgive any of my misdeeds. The universe does not hear and my misdeeds are my own. So are the good things I have done for other people.
I am a well educated person and am a political and economic Liberal because Liberalism offers the greatest freedom for the individual to express their personalities without the repression offered by the Conservatives that insist that everyone conform to their one way to live. The root meaning of Liberalism is Liberty.
I do differ with my Liberal friends in that I strongly support the individual right to be able to protect themselves and others from violent assault. My extreme support of the right to keep and carry firearms is derived from this need for defense. I also support the individuals right to decide what to do with their own bodies. Consequently I support a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy. I oppose anyone that would dare force her to remain pregnant is she decides not to.
I also differ with my Liberal friends about the influx of Muslin immigrants to just about anywhere. They apparently will not assimilate with any part of the Western cultures. They also bring a level of violence against people they deem inferior that Europe and America has not seen since WW2. I have investigated this culture as an intellectual and I have to believe what they say about their faith and their goal of imposing their version of the one true religion on everyone using whatever means necessary including War.
As I mentioned earlier I am an atheist and I am certain they would most likely kill me for my independence. Therefor I consider them to be my and my culture's, including my Christian, Jewish, Catholic and other individuals, enemies. I did not make them my enemies. They did. The only logical answer is to eliminate them before they can do any more harm to us.
Yes, I realize this conclusion is as politically incorrect it is possible to be after the Nazi attempts to eliminate the Jews in Europe. The difference is the Jews of Europe did not offer any real threat to the people of Europe. This cannot be said of the Muslims.
I would like to hear any other way of stopping this threat.
The problem is that education levels are meaningless. The vast majority of college graduates are from lower quality schools. We should only be considering graduates from good schools.
What's a good school? Ivy League only, Stamford, MIT ok? Can we agree on a list? But let's leave out the rich kids who were at the bottom of the class. How about if we take all schools but only focus on the top 10% of grads? Valedictorians only?
Pretty tough trying to figure out who's well educated, much less who qualifies an intellectual.
The whole argument misses the point, that education only allows you to argue your beliefs in a more cogent manner, but it doesn't guarantee that you are right, or determine whether your belief go to the left or the right .
Older, wealthier, and college graduates voted more often for Republican Romney.
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Here is year by year stats on education levels for dems, republicans, independents.
It only goes to 2008, but you can see that Repubs passed up Dems for college graduates - 37% to 34% Republicans were the higher educated in 2008.
51% of Dems don't graduate from high school compared to only 25% Repubs.
But then Dems have higher %HS graduates, but doesn't make sense if there's higher republican college graduates.
What's a good school? Ivy League only, Stamford, MIT ok? Can we agree on a list? But let's leave out the rich kids who were at the bottom of the class. How about if we take all schools but only focus on the top 10% of grads? Valedictorians only?
Pretty tough trying to figure out who's well educated, much less who qualifies an intellectual.
The whole argument misses the point, that education only allows you to argue your beliefs in a more cogent manner, but it doesn't guarantee that you are right, or determine whether your belief go to the left or the right .
The easiest is to just take the top 20 schools. But if you want to be more concise, you want to look at specific programs and not schools.
Here is year by year stats on education levels for dems, republicans, independents.
It only goes to 2008, but you can see that Repubs passed up Dems for college graduates - 37% to 34% Republicans were the higher educated in 2008.
51% of Dems don't graduate from high school compared to only 25% Repubs.
But then Dems have higher %HS graduates, but doesn't make sense if there's higher republican college graduates.
To be fair: many "lib class" liberals are just as hate filled and INtolerant of people who ain't as smart or have less education on paper as your hard right wing kind are.
I agree, some left wingers are as intolerant as right wingers. This are generally the angry folks! And some Atheists can be militant atheists and as intransigent as right wing Evangelicals.
Here is year by year stats on education levels for dems, republicans, independents.
It only goes to 2008, but you can see that Repubs passed up Dems for college graduates - 37% to 34% Republicans were the higher educated in 2008.
51% of Dems don't graduate from high school compared to only 25% Repubs.
But then Dems have higher %HS graduates, but doesn't make sense if there's higher republican college graduates.
I don't agree that education inevitably leads to agnosticism. I think it may lead to that, or to a re-alignment of one's spiritual beliefs, but that is not the same thing. Some may, for instance, leave the Catholic Church and take up Bahai, or Zen.
The Evangelical right has problems with tolerance of what is not in their particular book of dogma, just like fundamentalist Islam -- that is absolutely true. But is the issue really one of intellect? When discussing religious matters, logic falls short, because religion is about faith in the unknowable, and the conviction of belief. I simply cannot understand how religious belief can be challenged on an intellectual level. You either buy it or you don't. Its kind of like trying to figure out logically whether one should like broccoli.
Instead, any debate that seeks to measure the worth of a faith, or of agnosticism, has to focus on morality, and compliance with natural law. So, killing people who don't agree with you is bad, regardless of whether you lay that on Jehovah, Allah, or Thomas Henry Huxley, but not because either of those belief systems are intellectually superior to the others.
I respect religious folks. In fact Scalia was highly religious, but Catholics tend not to be as passionate as Evangelicals and seem to accept others with no judgment.
Yes, religion is illogical and can be accepted by intelligent people as a form of philosophy, culture, or lifestyle. The only logical thing left in religion is trying to guess who was behind the BIG BANG.
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