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Old 03-29-2016, 07:56 PM
 
Location: PNW, CPSouth, JacksonHole, Southampton
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We don't live there, anymore. Our children (as did almost all our friends' children) refused to consider Mississippi's universities. And they made it clear (as did almost all our friends' children) that they would not be returning after graduation. They picked the Pacific Northwest, and urged us to follow. So, we did.

News like what's coming out of Mississippi today played a part in their decisions to leave and stay gone. Legislation is proposed, to allow discrimination based upon religious belief. And legislation is proposed, which would make possible the use of firing squads as a method of execution. Governor Feel Bouffant... I mean Governor Phil Bryant... seems to support the firing squad idea, and to also be fine with religion-based discrimination.

Bryant, businesses mum on anti-gay provisions of

and

Governor supports firing squad as execution alternative | Jackson News - WAPT Home

This sort of thing helps create a perception, for many of Mississippi's Best & Brightest, that the state is a bad place, a dangerous place, and, most important, a place where they cannot lead lives of the quality which would be available to them in other places. So, they leave. And they continue to leave. The proposed legislation is hardly the first, and will probably not be the last, to cast clouds of hostility within the perceptions of those who live there, and those who contemplate living there.

Human Capital is in short supply, In Mississippi. Horrifyingly regressive legislation, such as what is currently under consideration, accelerates Human Capital Flight from the state.

Aside from perception, consensus, and altered social climate, few would actually be affected by the proposed legislation. Most Mississippians are too nice to discriminate against Gay people (or against anyone whose anything violates their religious sensibilities). And few people end up being executed. It's the intensification of the climate of hatefulness which does the real harm.
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Old 03-29-2016, 08:28 PM
 
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Personally I think execution by firing squad is more humane than electrocution or lethal injection both of which have a high failure rate resulting in undue suffering (torture).
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Old 03-29-2016, 10:31 PM
 
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We don't live there, anymore. Our children (as did almost all our friends' children) refused to consider Mississippi's universities. And they made it clear (as did almost all our friends' children) that they would not be returning after graduation. They picked the Pacific Northwest, and urged us to follow. So, we did.

News like what's coming out of Mississippi today played a part in their decisions to leave and stay gone. Legislation is proposed, to allow discrimination based upon religious belief. And legislation is proposed, which would make possible the use of firing squads as a method of execution. Governor Feel Bouffant... I mean Governor Phil Bryant... seems to support the firing squad idea, and to also be fine with religion-based discrimination.

Bryant, businesses mum on anti-gay provisions of

and

Governor supports firing squad as execution alternative | Jackson News - WAPT Home

This sort of thing helps create a perception, for many of Mississippi's Best & Brightest, that the state is a bad place, a dangerous place, and, most important, a place where they cannot lead lives of the quality which would be available to them in other places. So, they leave. And they continue to leave. The proposed legislation is hardly the first, and will probably not be the last, to cast clouds of hostility within the perceptions of those who live there, and those who contemplate living there.

Human Capital is in short supply, In Mississippi. Horrifyingly regressive legislation, such as what is currently under consideration, accelerates Human Capital Flight from the state.

Aside from perception, consensus, and altered social climate, few would actually be affected by the proposed legislation. Most Mississippians are too nice to discriminate against Gay people (or against anyone whose anything violates their religious sensibilities). And few people end up being executed. It's the intensification of the climate of hatefulness which does the real harm.
Maybe once Obama is out of office, the knuckleheads will finally calm down.

Mississippi is...well, proud to be regressive. I just finished watching the documentary about Neshoba County. All i could do was shake my head.
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Old 03-29-2016, 10:44 PM
 
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What's wrong with firing squad? In all honesty it's one of the more humane execution methods.
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Old 03-29-2016, 10:48 PM
 
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What's wrong is capital punishment, the means are secondary. Govts are too stupid and corrupt to decide life and death.
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Old 03-29-2016, 10:54 PM
 
Location: PNW, CPSouth, JacksonHole, Southampton
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Personally I think execution by firing squad is more humane than electrocution or lethal injection both of which have a high failure rate resulting in undue suffering (torture).
Thank you for that input! Dowager soybean empress, who actually watched the TV broadcast, said that Governor Bryant seems to like firing squads because they're more punitive, and because they set a more dramatic example.

Then, Bitsi called and took me to task for not reading the new Mississippi Magazine Wedding Register she overnighted to me, last week. (https://katiekaizerphoto.files.wordp...ismagcover.jpg). It's a much awaited, inch-thick compendium of expensive weddings, and about the most entertaining thing that happens all year, in Mississippi. People who know better savor every effusive description of over-the-top weddings (primarily for their comedic value: it's rollin'-on-the-floor funny, sometimes) "If you had read it, you'd have mentioned the wedding in Dallas - in an Episcopal Church of all places, although with a write-up like that, those boys have to have been raised Baptist - between a defense contractor from Jackson, and an athletic director at a Texas Christian University, wherever that is."

"It's proof-positive that Gay weddings can be no more and no less tacky than heterosexual weddings, and therefore they have just as much right to squander hundreds of thousands of Dollars making fools of themselves as the rest of us do. And Governor Bouffant wants to make it legal for Christian - or whatever religion, I guess - bakeries to refuse to bake Gay wedding cakes. Sounds anti-business to me. Aren't Republicans supposed to be PRO-business. Honey, anything that rings a cash register is SACRED, to me, so I guess that makes Governor Bouffant a BLASPHEMER."

Bitsi is our Pharmaceuticals Maven, and I suspect her attitude toward weddings is about like her attitude toward medications. Sales are good. ALL sales are good (her stock portfolio and tentacles stretch across several pharmaceutical giants, so Bitsi doesn't care HOW you're medicated, as long as you ARE Medicated.).

However, I recently learned, here on City-Data that it is possible to throw an extravagant wedding for less than a hundred thousand - well - outside Mississippi, anyway... someplace where people don't know it's not a big wedding without Foil-stamped custom-logo gift bags for each out-of-town guest, waiting for them in their hotel rooms. ...places where weddings don't have 'themes' and get three-page write-ups in Town & Country. ...places where weddings are not productions to rival Golden Age Hollywood musicals... places where "impromptu" proposals are not filmed from multiple angles (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH_LHLlXFPg). And now, Governor Bryant wants to make it legal for businesses and government workers to deny Gay couples the right to be just as - deliberately and spontaneously candid and public as that lovely young boy-girl couple on the tennis courts at the club.

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Old 03-29-2016, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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We don't live there, anymore. Our children (as did almost all our friends' children) refused to consider Mississippi's universities. And they made it clear (as did almost all our friends' children) that they would not be returning after graduation. They picked the Pacific Northwest, and urged us to follow. So, we did.

News like what's coming out of Mississippi today played a part in their decisions to leave and stay gone. Legislation is proposed, to allow discrimination based upon religious belief. And legislation is proposed, which would make possible the use of firing squads as a method of execution. Governor Feel Bouffant... I mean Governor Phil Bryant... seems to support the firing squad idea, and to also be fine with religion-based discrimination.

Bryant, businesses mum on anti-gay provisions of

and

Governor supports firing squad as execution alternative | Jackson News - WAPT Home

This sort of thing helps create a perception, for many of Mississippi's Best & Brightest, that the state is a bad place, a dangerous place, and, most important, a place where they cannot lead lives of the quality which would be available to them in other places. So, they leave. And they continue to leave. The proposed legislation is hardly the first, and will probably not be the last, to cast clouds of hostility within the perceptions of those who live there, and those who contemplate living there.

Human Capital is in short supply, In Mississippi. Horrifyingly regressive legislation, such as what is currently under consideration, accelerates Human Capital Flight from the state.

Aside from perception, consensus, and altered social climate, few would actually be affected by the proposed legislation. Most Mississippians are too nice to discriminate against Gay people (or against anyone whose anything violates their religious sensibilities). And few people end up being executed. It's the intensification of the climate of hatefulness which does the real harm.

I read a little on the anti-gay bill and I am with you on that one. Clerks, acting in a government role, should be forced to do those jobs, regardless of religious beliefs, or find new jobs. I don't hold the private sector to those same standards, however.


But as far as the firing squad, what's wrong with it? The only way your position is consistent is if you are opposed to the death penalty in all it's forms. Are you? If not, your position doesn't make a lot of sense. The goal is to kill the offender, doesn't matter if it's by a needle in the arm or by a bullet to the heart. Dead is dead, as long as the 8th Amendment is adhered to, the method doesn't matter.
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Old 03-30-2016, 01:58 AM
 
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What's wrong with firing squad? In all honesty it's one of the more humane execution methods.
A guillotine even more so. It's instantaneous. No waiting for them to die of gunshot wounds on the ground.

I still think the death penalty is barbaric though. The US is among the only developed countries that still use it, and the US executes the most people after North Korea, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia. Not exactly countries known for 'freedom'...

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Old 03-30-2016, 04:35 AM
 
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Firing squads should only be for capital offenders who are otherwise honorable people.

It's the only dignified way to be executed.

The fact that liberals and leftists despise Mississippi more than any other state inclines me to a favorable view of that commonwealth.

It might even be better than Alabama.
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Old 03-30-2016, 04:40 AM
 
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A guillotine even more so. It's instantaneous. No waiting for them to die of gunshot wounds on the ground.

I still think the death penalty is barbaric though. The US is among the only developed countries that still use it, and the US executes the most people after North Korea, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia. Not exactly countries known for 'freedom'...
We need to execute more.

There are -- what -- about 600 murderers on death row in California alone.

I say scrap the electric chair.

We need electric bleachers!
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