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Old 03-27-2016, 03:00 PM
 
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Ehm - de Niro gets to decide who he wants to lend credence to, doesn't he?
Of course. The other day he was defending the inclusion of this controversial movie. Seems some had a problem with that and got him to go along with censoring it.

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If he belatedly realized just who he was giving a platform, he certainly has a right to change his mind. Good for him that he doesn't want his name associated with Wakefield's. Where does "awful" get into it?
Censorship of unpopular ideas by the very community that once stood against that.

 
Old 03-27-2016, 03:51 PM
 
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They claimed there was no "counterbalance" to this film. Excuse me? Turn on your TV. Oh, not even talking about childhood vaccines, but ADULT ones. There was one ad on the Golf Channel 20 minutes ago urging all adults over 50 to get their Pneumonia vaccinations. Anyone ever see those ads about Big Bad Wolf Grandparents for not getting their Tdap vaccinations? How about the HORRORS of Shingles? DEADLY FLU? Who puts up these ads? The Pharm Mfgs, of course. Forget ever other commercial on the air about "ask your doctor if xyz pill is RIGHT FOR YOU". No "counterbalance"?

The Trailer for Vaxxed is on YouTube right now and has had thousands of views. I am sure with all the headlines this film is creating, you can be SURE it will be shown in entirety on the Net at some point (Bought?). Should they pull that too? Does free speech ANYWHERE end when it comes to vaccines? ONLY one viewpoint? Do you "health professions" want to ban posts on Facebook, Emails, monitor phone calls too if they go against your "science"? Who do you think you are?

Free Choice on Medical Treatment, and definitely, Free Speech.
 
Old 03-27-2016, 04:13 PM
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He got caught falsifying a study for his own financial gain.
Show where and how.
 
Old 03-27-2016, 04:36 PM
 
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He's not banning the movie, he's just not showing it at his film festival.

Want to watch it? Go find it on you-tube or go to some anti-vaxx convention where it's showing.
Psssssssttttttttttt: I didn't say anything about banning.


DeNiro doesn't have the power to ban anything.
 
Old 03-27-2016, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Show where and how.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org...entific-fraud/

"... no scientist not associated with Andrew Wakefield has ever been able to replicate his work. ... not only was Wakefield paid big bucks by trial lawyers seeking to sue vaccine manufacturers for “vaccine injury” to do his studies on autistic children, a conflict of interest he never revealed ... Wakefield had applied for a patent on a an allegedly safer single measles vaccine that could succeed best if the safety of the MMR were called into doubt."

"... In most of the 12 cases, the children’s ailments as described in The Lancet were different from their hospital and GP records. Although the research paper claimed that problems came on within days of the jab, in only one case did medical records suggest this was true, and in many of the cases medical concerns had been raised before the children were vaccinated. Hospital pathologists, looking for inflammatory bowel disease, reported in the majority of cases that the gut was normal. This was then reviewed and the Lancet paper showed them as abnormal."

In addition, Wakefield performed invasive tests, including spinal taps and colonoscopies, on these children with no valid indication to do them.

The link includes details of specific ways the information about the children in the study was manipulated by Wakefield.
 
Old 03-27-2016, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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They claimed there was no "counterbalance" to this film. Excuse me? Turn on your TV. Oh, not even talking about childhood vaccines, but ADULT ones. There was one ad on the Golf Channel 20 minutes ago urging all adults over 50 to get their Pneumonia vaccinations. Anyone ever see those ads about Big Bad Wolf Grandparents for not getting their Tdap vaccinations? How about the HORRORS of Shingles? DEADLY FLU? Who puts up these ads? The Pharm Mfgs, of course. Forget ever other commercial on the air about "ask your doctor if xyz pill is RIGHT FOR YOU". No "counterbalance"?

The Trailer for Vaxxed is on YouTube right now and has had thousands of views. I am sure with all the headlines this film is creating, you can be SURE it will be shown in entirety on the Net at some point (Bought?). Should they pull that too? Does free speech ANYWHERE end when it comes to vaccines? ONLY one viewpoint? Do you "health professions" want to ban posts on Facebook, Emails, monitor phone calls too if they go against your "science"? Who do you think you are?

Free Choice on Medical Treatment, and definitely, Free Speech.
"Free speech" does not mean what you think it does. It means that the government cannot censor speech, though that freedom does not extend to such things as inciting riots. You can be sued for slander and libel, too.

There is no obligation to give equal time to pseudoscientific anti-vaccine propaganda. Anyone can make a movie advancing the anti-vax viewpoint. That does not mean the content is true.
 
Old 03-27-2016, 06:36 PM
 
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Wakefield has as much credibility as the guys that used to do smoking is safe studies for the cigarette companies.

Deniro's sons all had moms that were 40+ when they were born and were born using invitro. (one has autism)

I think he should pay attention to the impact of the age of birth moms and autism which is something up around 10x higher at age 40 than age 20.

Really, if you want to know where the real surge in autism is coming from in the US (besides actually diagnosing it more), look no further than the droves of kids in gradeschool with moms in their mid to upper 40's. Nothing wrong with it, my kids mom was in her late 30's when they were born, but lets not kid ourselves it's mentally easier to blame outside forces than to roll the dice on an older aged pregnancy and winding up not having that perfect kid.
To some people it's always someone else's fault when something goes wrong due to their personal decisions.
 
Old 03-27-2016, 08:14 PM
 
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Of course. The other day he was defending the inclusion of this controversial movie. Seems some had a problem with that and got him to go along with censoring it.
Seems someone alerted him to the company he was keeping. It is his right to change his mind.

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Censorship of unpopular ideas by the very community that once stood against that.
Nothing at all to do with censorship. Wakefield can do his own promotion, de Niro is not all obliged to lend him his good name.
 
Old 03-27-2016, 08:24 PM
 
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The Trailer for Vaxxed is on YouTube right now and has had thousands of views.
Wow, thousands? It's on par with amusing cat videos.

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I am sure with all the headlines this film is creating, you can be SURE it will be shown in entirety on the Net at some point (Bought?). Should they pull that too?
Who's "they"? Seems to me Wakefield is the one who stands to lose income if his film is being "shown in its entirety on the Net", but hey...

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Does free speech ANYWHERE end when it comes to vaccines?
Not sure what you mean by free speech ANYWHERE - but as most human beings understand the concept, you're perfectly free to speak on vaccines.

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ONLY one viewpoint? Do you "health professions" want to ban posts on Facebook, Emails, monitor phone calls too if they go against your "science"? Who do you think you are?
De Niro appears to think he's one of the founders of the Tribeca film festival. And he's right. His show, he gets to decide the playbill. It's not really complicated.

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Free Choice on Medical Treatment, and definitely, Free Speech.
You have both. Free speech doesn't involve the right to shoulder your way into private functions where you've been told you're not welcome.
 
Old 03-28-2016, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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He can always go to one of the networks or another festival to have his day in the sun or just use good old youtube, claiming that this amounts to censorship in this day in age is laughable.
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