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Top 5 Percent Lowest Level $174,000/a year 5,803 total households (I did not break out the Hispanics of either race). Represents the Wealthy, Rich, and top of Upper Middle Class
Whites 88%
Blacks 5%
Asians 7%
Hispanics (of any race) 4.1%
Highest Fifth Percent Lowest Level $97,030/a year 23,202 total households. This represents the Middle and Lower of Upper Middle class and the Top of the Middle Class.
Whites 87%
Blacks 6.1%
Asians 6.2%
Hisapnics (of any race) 6.2%
Now Combined 29,005 households in total
Whites 87.6%
Blacks 6.0%
Asians 6.3%
Hisapnics (of any race) 6.0%
Okay Here are the Percentages of the US Pop
Whites 74%
Blacks 12%
Asians 4.4%
Hispanics (of any race) 14.2%
The following can be said
Whites and Asians have a disproportionate number of people in the rich, wealthy, and upper middle classes
Asians have a higher percentage of individuals in the upper middle class people than all other races
Okay to close this out here's how likely each race is to be in the bottom three tiers
Whites 58%
Blacks 75%
Asians 46%
The only race with a majority in the top three tiers are Asians. The funny thing is that this percentage correlates heavily with education. Is it any wonder the most educated race (asians) in our nation is also the highest income earners pound for pound?
A Few Question come to mind
1. Why are Asians not disproportionately displayed as rich characters in movies?
2. Why are Asians not earnings significantly more income? They are two and three times more educated than both the majority and other minorities?
3. Now, I'm sort of curious to find out the wealth disparity between each race. Which race do you think will have the greatest income equality between its wealthy class and its poor class?
Last edited by truthhurts; 02-12-2008 at 06:37 AM..
1. Why are Asians not disproportionately displayed as rich characters in movies? Because there are not enough Asian actors & actresses in the US movie industry
2. Why are Asians not earnings significantly more income? They are two and three times more educated than both the majority and other minorities? Probably because they are not as desirous of ostentatious wealth; because making more income sometimes results to family relationships disintegrating, and Asians put a lot more weight on family relations than wealth
3. Now, I'm sort of curious to find out the wealth disparity between each race. Which race do you think will have the greatest income equality between its wealthy class and its poor class?
75%
Asians 46%
1. Why are Asians not disproportionately displayed as rich characters in movies?
2. Why are Asians not earnings significantly more income? They are two and three times more educated than both the majority and other minorities?
3. Now, I'm sort of curious to find out the wealth disparity between each race. Which race do you think will have the greatest income equality between its wealthy class and its poor class?
Here's a guess. Assuming that culture is at work here, Asians have little tradition of any long-standing ties in American entertainment media. Despite their long presence here, at least on the west coast, Asians just haven't been nearly as a big part of entertainment as both whites and blacks have. Part of it may be societal prejudice against "Asian" characters--part may be an Asian cultural aversion to the rather brash, "in-your-face" style demanded by American audiences. In fact, without our substantial JEWISH immigration to America, I wonder if "white" participation in entertainment would be the way we have learned to expect...(just a thought). Perhaps without Jewish 'pizazz', Hollywood as we know it may be vastly different than it is.
The same factors may affect Asians' portrayals as 'rich guys'. When an American audience wants a stereotypical "rich" character, we demand a certain flamboyance (MOST movie characters, in fact, are exaggerations of real life). We want rich guys who ACT the part--loud, flashy, or at least not hesitant to "flaunt" their wealth. None of this fits easily into the Asian culture, which prizes conformity and decorum, not loud, vulgar, ostentatious displays.
Culture may even explain why Asians aren't 'richer' than they are. Years of education do not necessarily translate into the 'bold, self-promoting' qualities that are prized in American business, for those who 'claw their way to the top'. The Asian culture prizes teamwork---yet most American billionaires are 'mavericks', not team players..
Here's a guess. Assuming that culture is at work here, Asians have little tradition of any long-standing ties in American entertainment media. Despite their long presence here, at least on the west coast, Asians just haven't been nearly as a big part of entertainment as both whites and blacks have. Part of it may be societal prejudice against "Asian" characters--part may be an Asian cultural aversion to the rather brash, "in-your-face" style demanded by American audiences. In fact, without our substantial JEWISH immigration to America, I wonder if "white" participation in entertainment would be the way we have learned to expect...(just a thought). Perhaps without Jewish 'pizazz', Hollywood as we know it may be vastly different than it is.
The same factors may affect Asians' portrayals as 'rich guys'. When an American audience wants a stereotypical "rich" character, we demand a certain flamboyance (MOST movie characters, in fact, are exaggerations of real life). We want rich guys who ACT the part--loud, flashy, or at least not hesitant to "flaunt" their wealth. None of this fits easily into the Asian culture, which prizes conformity and decorum, not loud, vulgar, ostentatious displays.
Culture may even explain why Asians aren't 'richer' than they are. Years of education do not necessarily translate into the 'bold, self-promoting' qualities that are prized in American business, for those who 'claw their way to the top'. The Asian culture prizes teamwork---yet most American billionaires are 'mavericks', not team players..
Just my own 'guesses'....good questions !..
Hehe my response ever been to Hong Kong, Tokyo, Shanghi or other large Asian citiy? Flaunting wealth is not a "cultural thing" eh? Maybe not for the majority like whites, blacks, etc, but flaunting wealth is a culture of the wealthy and rich especially the nevue riche and Asians are just as guilty of doing it as any other race.
Ever read "Rich Dad Poor Dad" think Robert Kyiosaki, does not flaunt his wealth and success?
How long would you estimate it takes for third or fourth generations of Asians to become Americanized?
In reference to "jewish americans" i'm assuming you're directly referencing MGM, however, if you remember correctly they heavily refrained from jewish cultural identity to promote WASP culture in all their movies, so you may have a point etc. They did what any smart movie studio would have done cater to the masses, which I see no problem with etc. However, that does not stop me from asking the question since movies are supposed to be extreme images of society etc.
PS the thread was not technically supposed to be about Asians, but after looking at the data, that was the first thing that popped in my head. Here's a group in fact the only group out of the three races that is predominately in the middle and upper classes, yet in movies they are depicted as "china men" not able to speak a lick of english etc. That's why i made the last three questions/comments.
You may be correct....I only gave my opinion. Yes, I've been around "rich Asians" in several countries, and I LIVE near fairly wealthy, mostly-Asian areas. And I still say that HAVING wealth and 'nice things' does not necessarily correspond to 'showing off', and that the typical Asian culture (there are MANY of course) neither feels the need to 'show off', nor appreciates it in others. An exception might be Filipinos, who ARE 'flashier', but have relatively fewer wealthy members than other Asians. Only an impression, mind you, and no doubt there are exceptions. But loud, vulgar, garish displays of wealth are generally frowned on in Asian cultures...doesn't mean they have ANYTHING against money.
Most Nevada casinos have special suites for "high rollers" who drop tens of thousands of dollars on a weekend, and a large percentage of these are Asians....frequently coming all the way from Asia for such occasions. In addition, most casinos at Tahoe, Reno, (and to a lesser degree, Las Vegas) have huge traffic in "bus people" coming in from California, and a good proportion of these are nearly all-Chinese groups. Whether or not you'd call this "flaunting" I don't know...(many of them, coming home on the bus, have nothing left to 'flaunt' anyway)...
At any rate, while many Asian cultures (particularly the Chinese) have a high appreciation for gambling, I'm not sure how this would equate with the 'rich guy' image required in the movies...rolling down the street in your limousine, car load of girls, champagne and cigars, swinging 'deals' on your cell phone....you know, the "J.R. Ewing"
classical "TV Rich Guy".. just wouldn't very well fit with Asian values, IMO.......
1. Why are Asians not disproportionately displayed as rich characters in movies?
Because movies always have been, are and always will be pretend, in no way meant to be a representational surrogate for the real world. We could argue the converse with blacks being over-portrayed as doctors on any given television network.
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2. Why are Asians not earnings significantly more income? They are two and three times more educated than both the majority and other minorities?
Asians, by in large, are tremendous technical analysts (virtually without peer), extraordinarily disciplined and superb system managers. Still, they're mediocre capitalists, since so much of capitalism relies on organic elements and creativity which Asians tend to suck at. Right now, Asians in their native lands are doing quite well, given that they have an immense amount of cheap human capital and ours was overpriced, however, in time (probably out of our lifetimes but in that of our great-grandchildren), this should change.
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3. Now, I'm sort of curious to find out the wealth disparity between each race. Which race do you think will have the greatest income equality between its wealthy class and its poor class?
I'd say Asians would have the highest mean, although if we were in some sort of "Race/Ethnicity Fantasy Draft", I would use the first pick to take Ashkenazi Jews.
As to compared to where??? Japan,South Africa,India,France........I've said it before This is the only country in the World where some many races,creeds, live together without constant struggle if not outright warfare.............
As to compared to where??? Japan,South Africa,India,France........I've said it before This is the only country in the World where some many races,creeds,religons live together without constant struggle if not outright warfare.............
I'm afraid you won't get much reponse--I've tried this many times. What you'll PROBABLY hear is "it doesn't MATTER what these places do...America shouldn't be satisfied to be better than THEM, it should be the best it can BE" (which never, of course, addresses the question of 'how do you know it ISN'T already the 'best it can be'?)
OR...you may hear that "Of COURSE these places have problems..their cultures make it difficult for them to 'include' outsiders" (which of course, is EASY for us, because we don't really HAVE a culture...and besides, we SAID we'd do it....so THERE !!)
OR you'll hear that "America has a bad record of mistreating its minorities, so we should all be ashamed" ( which is somewhat true...America HAS had a rough time including everyone...rougher than most places, which simply kill their minorities, or marginalize them, or forbid them to ever become citizens...or places that simply HAVE no minorities at all. None of these places, it's true, have the difficulties America does in 'including' people...)
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