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Old 04-10-2016, 08:57 PM
 
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For those who think socialism is going to solve everything, take a few minutes to watch its ultimate outcome.

Here are a few observations that were made:
Hyper inflation.
One of the highest murder rates in a "gun-free zone".
Laws against "racism" and socially unacceptable speech.
Endless business permits and regulations.

Sound familiar?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOQb7Y5QVO8
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Old 04-10-2016, 09:52 PM
 
Location: USA
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Why are there shoppers in an empty grocery store?
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Old 04-10-2016, 10:21 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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For those who think socialism is going to solve everything, take a few minutes to watch its ultimate outcome.

Here are a few observations that were made:
Hyper inflation.
One of the highest murder rates in a "gun-free zone".
Laws against "racism" and socially unacceptable speech.
Endless business permits and regulations.

Sound familiar?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOQb7Y5QVO8
If you look at developed western countries Socialist attitudes appear to work.

"The Human Development Index (HDI) is a composite statistic of life expectancy, education, and income per capita indicators, which are used to rank countries into four tiers of human development."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index


Here are the world rankings in Human Development.

#1 Norway
#2 Australia
#3 Switzerland
#4 Denmark
#5 Netherlands

#8 United States of America.

The top 5 ranked countries in Human Development all have socialist attitudes (they must be doing something right.)

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Old 04-10-2016, 10:41 PM
 
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off topic: "neko-mimi" , is that a reference to LHHATL?

on topic: These Hillary/Bernie supporters need to take notes. They don't know what they're getting themselves into.
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Old 04-10-2016, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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For those who think socialism is going to solve everything, take a few minutes to watch its ultimate outcome.

Here are a few observations that were made:
Hyper inflation.
One of the highest murder rates in a "gun-free zone".
Laws against "racism" and socially unacceptable speech.
Endless business permits and regulations.

Sound familiar?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOQb7Y5QVO8

In Venezuela before the time of Hugo Chavez, all of that nations oil wealth from one of the world's largest oil finds meant nothing for most Venezuelans who lived in poverty in one of South America's richest countries! Contemplate what this says about the Capitalist system, and the behavior of American oil giants and a small Venezuelan elite. Americas conservatives should learn that such behavior makes things like Chavezismo inevitable.
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Old 04-10-2016, 11:09 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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If you look at developed western countries Socialist attitudes appear to work.

"The Human Development Index (HDI) is a composite statistic of life expectancy, education, and income per capita indicators, which are used to rank countries into four tiers of human development."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index


Here are the world rankings in Human Development.

#1 Norway
#2 Australia
#3 Switzerland
#4 Denmark
#5 Netherlands

#8 United States of America.

The top 5 ranked countries in Human Development all have socialist attitudes (they must be doing something right.)
Can't help but noticing how White and completely homogeneous those countries are compared to the USA. Kind of like when people point to Vermont, Minnesota, Oregon, New Hampshire and Maine to prove how superior their liberal systems are compared to Mississippi, Louisiana, Arizona and Alabama.

I've spent a lot of time in Venezuela and Latin America. I don't discount socialism, it can work in the right environment, but it's no sure thing either. It's like capitalism or any other form of government.
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Old 04-10-2016, 11:18 PM
 
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The Venezuelans are getting what they voted for.

Too bad, so sad.
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Old 04-10-2016, 11:58 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Can't help but noticing how White and completely homogeneous those countries are compared to the USA. Kind of like when people point to Vermont, Minnesota, Oregon, New Hampshire and Maine to prove how superior their liberal systems are compared to Mississippi, Louisiana, Arizona and Alabama.
I see your point. And if America did not have so many poor and jobless people we would be ranked higher in human development rankings.

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I've spent a lot of time in Venezuela and Latin America. I don't discount socialism, it can work in the right environment, but it's no sure thing either. It's like capitalism or any other form of government.
I don't condone pure socialism (in every instance I've seen there's a dictator, corruption, poverty, lack of goods, or drop in the economy.)

I actually like capitalism. I believe no other (current) system can achieve the same technological invention, quality and quantity of goods and services, and distribution of goods and services. I just think capitalism needs to be regulated, whether its governing worker wages, controlling the costs for certain goods, governing certain profits, supporting the unemployed, making sure everyone has access to healthcare, ex.ex.

America practices pure capitalism. And its moved our jobs to Asia, gave us low wages, made many homeless, denied many medical care, given more governing power to the rich, and makes us pay $5 for a pill when its development and manufacturing cost the company .5 cents to make.

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Old 04-11-2016, 12:09 AM
 
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In Venezuela before the time of Hugo Chavez, all of that nations oil wealth from one of the world's largest oil finds meant nothing for most Venezuelans....
And it still means nothing. Since nationalization production has declined every year because of mismanagement, lack of reinvestment and corruption. You can't eat 15 cent a gallon gasoline.
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Old 04-11-2016, 12:22 AM
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Arguments about socialism in the real world are red herrings. That's because a real government is never pure socialist nor pure anything. It's always a mixture of good and evil. If it happens to have more evil than good, then it doesn't matter what kind of system it has, because all systems would be bad in such a country. If it were capitalist instead of socialist, it would probably be even worse.

People should not get so hung up on ideology. What really matters is how corrupt a government is. In the real world, it's necessary to spend approximately half of a government's income on anti-corruption systems. And those have to be well designed, taking into account the tendency for government systems to become corrupt, including the anti-corruption systems. A good anti-corruption system has to be carefully designed to prevent corruption in itself.

In the USA, the very first thing we need to do, if we ever decide to oppose corruption in our federal government, is to take the money out of politics. That money buys the government for the personal use of those who buy it. The supreme court ruled in favor of that money and corruption. Our system is therefore not well designed as an anti-corruption system.
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