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Old 05-13-2016, 08:43 AM
 
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FIGHT INSIDE KREMLIN TO RELEASE 20,000 OF CLINTON's EMAIL





Largely known debate in the Kremlin between the Russian Foreign Ministry and the Russian Intelligence Services. They are trying to come to a meeting of the minds to determine whether the Russian government should release some 20,000 of Mrs. Clinton’s emails that it obtained either by hacking her directly or by hacking into the email of her confidante, Sid Blumenthal.

Hillary's team prepares for the worst as she finds herself in a perfect storm of legal misery | Fox News
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Old 05-13-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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FIGHT INSIDE KREMLIN TO RELEASE 20,000 OF CLINTON's EMAIL





Largely known debate in the Kremlin between the Russian Foreign Ministry and the Russian Intelligence Services. They are trying to come to a meeting of the minds to determine whether the Russian government should release some 20,000 of Mrs. Clinton’s emails that it obtained either by hacking her directly or by hacking into the email of her confidante, Sid Blumenthal.

Hillary's team prepares for the worst as she finds herself in a perfect storm of legal misery | Fox News
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In the same week, a federal judge ordered the same five persons to give videotaped testimony in a civil lawsuit against the State Department which once employed them in order to determine if there was a “conspiracy” -- that’s the word used by the judge -- in Mrs. Clinton’s office to evade federal transparency laws. Stated differently, the purpose of these interrogations is to seek evidence of an agreement to avoid the Freedom of Information Act requirements of storage and transparency of records, and whether such an agreement, if it existed, was also an agreement to commit espionage -- the removal of state secrets from a secure place to a non-secure place.

Sorry, but that "stated differently" is not stated correctly.


There might, indeed, have been an effort to avoid the Freedom of Information Act by placing emails in a place not subject to the FOIA act as then written. The FOIA act as then written did not account for emails (that loophole has subsequently been closed).


But the FOIA issue has absolutely nothing to do with espionage, and "...the removal of state secrets from a secure place to a non-secure place..." is not espionage, nor even in itself construable as espionage.


The espionage laws explicitly require that there be an attempt to transmit classified information to an unauthorized party...and prosecution requires that the unauthorized party actually be specified.
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Old 05-13-2016, 01:14 PM
 
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You used the wrong quote. A few paragraphs down from your quote. You can read!


Hillary's team prepares for the worst as she finds herself in a perfect storm of legal misery | Fox News
Full quote: While all of this has been going on, intelligence community sources have reported about a below the radar screen, yet largely known debate in the Kremlin between the Russian Foreign Ministry and the Russian Intelligence Services. They are trying to come to a meeting of the minds to determine whether the Russian government should release some 20,000 of Mrs. Clinton’s emails that it obtained either by hacking her directly or by hacking into the email of her confidante, Sid Blumenthal.

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Old 05-13-2016, 02:07 PM
 
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Sorry, but that "stated differently" is not stated correctly.


There might, indeed, have been an effort to avoid the Freedom of Information Act by placing emails in a place not subject to the FOIA act as then written. The FOIA act as then written did not account for emails (that loophole has subsequently been closed).


But the FOIA issue has absolutely nothing to do with espionage, and "...the removal of state secrets from a secure place to a non-secure place..." is not espionage, nor even in itself construable as espionage.


The espionage laws explicitly require that there be an attempt to transmit classified information to an unauthorized party...and prosecution requires that the unauthorized party actually be specified.

This issue is going to have to be decided by the FBI, and DOJ prosecutors, but I think this is what people are saying is going to be Hillary's problem.



From the Espionage Act 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed,or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

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Old 05-13-2016, 02:20 PM
 
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You used the wrong quote. A few paragraphs down from your quote. You can read!


Hillary's team prepares for the worst as she finds herself in a perfect storm of legal misery | Fox News
Full quote: While all of this has been going on, intelligence community sources have reported about a below the radar screen, yet largely known debate in the Kremlin between the Russian Foreign Ministry and the Russian Intelligence Services.
Sounds intentionally vague. Horrible reporting. "Stated differently…"??? Do they mean spun??? I wouldn't trust any part of this article.
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Old 05-13-2016, 02:30 PM
 
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If anything would know about the inner workings of the Kremlin, it would have to be Judge Napolitano.
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Old 05-13-2016, 02:36 PM
 
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and "...the removal of state secrets from a secure place to a non-secure place..." is not espionage, nor even in itself construable as espionage.
It's still a felony.
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Old 05-13-2016, 02:40 PM
 
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If anything would know about the inner workings of the Kremlin, it would have to be Judge Napolitano.
I don't get worked up by these stories. Of course the Russians have the emails, but I can't see them ever releasing them. All the intelligence agencies hack each other, but they pretend they don't.

This aside, Hillary is still having a very bad week.
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Old 05-13-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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Ah yes, Anthony Napoliatno. Who has been saying Hillary was near indictment since the Benghazi commission was formed. Obviously his word should is gold.
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Old 05-13-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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Moderate conservative whose tired of hearing about HC's emails----> Me

Every week seemingly there is a news feed that says the FBI, CIA, Etc is going to release documents and nothing ever happens.

Poop or get off the pot
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