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Old 05-25-2016, 07:43 PM
 
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Any surprise.............Amtrak is government-rail and it loses money year-after-year.
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Old 05-25-2016, 07:55 PM
 
Location: When you take flak it means you are on target
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It IS the middle of nowhere. A bunch of itinerant illegal mexican farm workers aren't going to take a bullet train the Fresno. What idiots the CA communists are.
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Old 05-25-2016, 07:56 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Any surprise.............Amtrak is government-rail and it loses money year-after-year.
Highways don't entirely pay for themselves either. Here in Texas, our "fiscally conservative" government can't seem to find the money to build to keep up with the population so we pay gas taxes AND toll roads.
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Old 05-25-2016, 07:58 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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It IS the middle of nowhere. A bunch of itinerant illegal mexican farm workers aren't going to take a bullet train the Fresno. What idiots the CA communists are.
Can you try and be less ignorant please? This line is supposed to connect 30 million people. I realize in meth and hydrocodone filled rural America it's hard to comprehend building something that would affect so many people.
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Old 05-25-2016, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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But we know that is almost always the case. This one is a special case of failure.
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California’s $64 Billion Bullet Train To Nowhere Gets Delayed … Again

This project is more about people getting paid than about getting people from place to place.
Considering the a good part of the Interstate Highway System is in the middle of nowhere, I don't think this qualifies as a failure. With that said, I'd rather fly between LA and SF.

[the money should be spent on urban rail]
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Old 05-26-2016, 03:41 AM
 
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Here's some information that is not exactly classified: Japan National Railways successfully built a High Speed Rail line in 1964. It is still running, at speeds faster than the proposed line in California. Other nations have HSR. Why can't we?
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Madera is like 6 miles north of downtown Fresno( 520,000) and Shafter borders Bakersfield(363,000)

In most states, those would be the 2 largest cities, so lets stop talking as if they built the first leg in the middle of nowhere.
No, they wouldn't be the two largest cities in most states. And even if they were, that's meaningless information.

The fact is you don't need a uber expensive high speed train between two small cities.
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Old 06-01-2016, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Here's some information that is not exactly classified: Japan National Railways successfully built a High Speed Rail line in 1964. It is still running, at speeds faster than the proposed line in California. Other nations have HSR. Why can't we?
Have you been to Japan? I just got back and rode their trains. The answer is population density. They have it, we don't. You need population density to justify investment in rail.

Japan has 869 people per sq mile, we have 85.
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Old 06-01-2016, 06:45 AM
 
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A true HSR system costs about a billion dollars per mile to construct ...
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Old 06-01-2016, 07:09 AM
 
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Central planning is always limited by the present, known and available. It never anticipates let alone creates anything new.

"High speed rail" stands a very good chance of being the 21 Century's canals: the best transport imaginable until someone invented trains. Hyperloop Evacuated Tube Transport could leave HSR stillborn. It could be 90% cheaper to build than rail and 75% cheaper than freeways. Transportation might need only 2% as much energy.

https://www.wired.com/2015/08/elon-m...kinda-serious/
Why ET3? | Evacuated Tube Transport Technologies

If we want something different we have to let the visionaries run. If we want more of the same only more expensive, go with the bureaucrats.
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