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The end goal of collectivism is individuals live as a cooperative, social species.
The only other option is we slowly become a solitary species and we all end up alone.
"Cooperative" "social" species? Strange, collectivism/statism can only exist with widespread violence and aggression upon the individual to exist....how is that "social" or "cooperative"?
I've always seen collectivism and individualism as being important. You shouldn't deny the importance of others and others shouldn't deny the importance of you.
But it "collectivism" taking a hit? No. The UK post-Brexit is still a European socialist country. The leader of UKIP even ran a campaign about Brexit saying the money that goes to the EU should go to the NHS. He's said after Brexit that he can't gauruntee that the money will go the NHS now that it's done, but politicians do as they do.
Given that a few months ago, "collectivism" (the kind conservatives don't like) was largely defined as socialist type economic systems. With Brexit having happened, it seems to be globalization instead. Almost like the world 'collectivism' is nothing but a meaningless buzz word. But that can't be, every political word is clear and concise.
I've always seen collectivism and individualism as being important. You shouldn't deny the importance of others and others shouldn't deny the importance of you.
But it "collectivism" taking a hit? No. The UK post-Brexit is still a European socialist country. The leader of UKIP even ran a campaign about Brexit saying the money that goes to the EU should go to the NHS. He's said after Brexit that he can't gauruntee that the money will go the NHS now that it's done, but politicians do as they do.
Given that a few months ago, "collectivism" (the kind conservatives don't like) was largely defined as socialist type economic systems. With Brexit having happened, it seems to be globalization instead. Almost like the world 'collectivism' is nothing but a meaningless buzz word. But that can't be, every political word is clear and concise.
DEFINED collectivism is always evil as it requires widespread initiations of force and aggression upon individuals and works only to destroy freedom through coercion. It is important only in that it is evil and should be apparent to all.
Individualism, as being individual human freedom, is important as it is perhaps the only reason that humans are humans. Having maximum individual freedom is the highest form of existence as it expresses our individuality, which individuality is what precisely make us human.
The only just form of "collectivism" that should ever exist is when all parties involved are in voluntary agreement with one another. Any form of collectivism that requires coercion by force of its members is always evil and immoral.
DEFINED collectivism is always evil as it requires widespread initiations of force and aggression upon individuals and works only to destroy freedom through coercion. It is important only in that it is evil and should be apparent to all.
Individualism, as being individual human freedom, is important as it is perhaps the only reason that humans are humans. Having maximum individual freedom is the highest form of existence as it expresses our individuality, which individuality is what precisely make us human.
The only just form of "collectivism" that should ever exist is when all parties involved are in voluntary agreement with one another. Any form of collectivism that requires coercion by force of its members is always evil and immoral.
Collectivism doesn't always require force though, and that was my point. As you said, voluntary collectivism is a thing. And I think it's a good thing. Cooperation with others is an essential part of being human. The idea that the individual is all that matters is crazy, and most don't even agree. Most people would put their kids before themselves, and by definition, this isn't individualism since it's concern that places priority on someone other than the individual. We could say that the individual chose that, which is fine, but that's doesn't make it purely about the individual.
Collectivism doesn't always require force though, and that was my point. As you said, voluntary collectivism is a thing. And I think it's a good thing. Cooperation with others is an essential part of being human. The idea that the individual is all that matters is crazy, and most don't even agree. Most people would put their kids before themselves, and by definition, this isn't individualism since it's concern that places priority on someone other than the individual. We could say that the individual chose that, which is fine, but that's doesn't make it purely about the individual.
I said as much myself....IF, IF, IF EVERYONE in the collective is a VOLUNTARY member, there is nothing wrong with that form of collectivism BECAUSE individual freedom and voluntary cooperation created that collective.
However any type of collective that has any members who are forced into the collective against their will by initiations of force, or threats thereof, that collective is simply collecting slaves and prisoners. That form of collective is barbaric, evil, and immoral.
And I have yet to see any truly voluntary collective much larger than familiy/tribe/small community appear anywhere on earth...
This nation is a forced collective. By "secret ballot" one group of thugs or another is given a special divine right to enslave everyone else through government initiations of force. And the victims of this government violence/slavery/coercion are not even able to identify specifically which of their neighbors has enslaved them.
Who are these members of the collective who have a "right" to impose their will upon others through force???? To take prisoners by force??? To enslave others by force??? What has made them Divine and Gods over their fellow man??? That is the depravity and evil of my fellow man that I will never understand or condone. Evil and aggression are not "justified" when done in the name of, or for the benefit of, the collective. Every human being has natural human rights which are not subject to the whim of "government", the "majority", or any thug which may be your neighbor. Any and all initiations of force are evil and immoral for any reason, outcome, or desire.
Nope. You are seeing a populist response to globalization and automation paradigm shift that our political, social, and economic systems haven't caught up yet to.
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