I wish all Americans would start The High Morals Party.

[skepticratic]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

No, what I'm saying is people aren't consistent with their own claims of morality.

If murder or theft are against your personal moral beliefs simply delegating murdering and stealing to the state doesn't mean you've upheld your morals.

Seinfeld fan?

If so, remember the episode where Elaine finds out Puddy is very religious? Puddy wants Elaine to steal her neighbor's paper because the paperboy forgot to deliver hers. Elaine tells Puddy if he wants it he should take it...not her. Puddy says "Sorry, thou shall not steal."

See the hypocrisy?

But that's not necessarily true.

Someone can believe that murder is wrong, but disagree on what constitutes as murder. From a technical stand point, murder isn't actually a universal term. It always means unjust killing, sure, but what is unjust? In some society, stoning an adulterer is just.

So, to your point about government stealing and murdering, people might not see it that way. I'm not pro or anti-war, but I am firmly anti-stupid war. Some wars are just. We all agree that theft is wrong. Not everyone agrees that government taxes to pay for social programs are theft. Both sides have arguments.

What you're doing is taking you stance, which is that government taxes for programs you deem excessive as being theft, and applying your rationale to those who don't consider it theft and calling them a hypocrite. But that doesn't make them hypocritical because by they're own standards, there isn't actually an inconsistency.

[irspow]

It's called the Libertarian Party....the non-aggression principle...maximizing human freedom for every individual...it already exists...

However we live in a nation of thugs and tyrants who have no morality and do not want to be free human beings interacting peacefully and voluntarily...otherwise, the libertarians philosophy, the non-aggression principle, and the libertarian party would already serving the only just role of government, to be a retaliatory force against initiators of force and nothing else. Then we would just be a peaceful, free people actually acting like human beings. But that is apparently not what anyone wants. They are much happier being thugs towards their neighbors using government guns...

[musiqum]

Originally Posted by 0marvin0

Spiritual consciousness? If you base morals on a lie haven't you blown it from the start?

Absolutely! Therefore I sarcastically asked - who owns it in the current corrupt political environment?