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no doubt, there are just more people and less jobs to be had, but isn't the key that even if big companies leave, they still want to do business in the usa, and trump can make it harder on them to do business in the usa if they do decide to leave.
The reality is that whether they are located in China or the USA, most of those jobs simply no longer exist due to automation and technology. And renegotiating trade deals isn't going to do much for that. The manufacturing sector of the 1970s and 1980s will never exist again.
And the reality is that in the coming years, technology will eliminate even more of those jobs as well as white collar jobs, and neither Hills nor Trump can do anything about it. Especially with the birth of artificial intelligence soon to come, we are moving further into an era of still less employment, not more.
I really see attempts by both candidates to tell people that they will bring back the jobs of the 1980s as just pandering to stupid people for votes.
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Again...the point is that COMPUTERS AND MACHINES ARE NOW DOING MOST OF THOSE JOBS.
You can't "not let them leave" unless you have a time machine or are some sort of a luddite who is going to destroy technological advances.
Trump is just promising you a bunch of nonsense to get your vote.
First, it was Trump and Hillary. But in your second post, it's just Trump.
Why is that?
Hint: If you're so sure you won't get hired, you won't. Attitude is everything. You should probably just not bother to apply.
Tell me you are fracking joking. How can someone call himself the Wall St. Kid but has no concept of how business works?
Business will simply charge more to cover their increased cost but not so much that it scares everyone away. You WILL pay more because the cost has gone up. And if the product cost too much it will simply be discontinued. A brand new sneaker that used to cost $49.99 will cost say, $74.99. Just enough to keep up the cost but probably not enough to completely drive away customers. And if sneakers end up costing $300 and no one buys them, it will stop being produced.
In fact, the cost for EVERYTHING will go up, even products that don't have cost increase - because so many products will have the price risen that those who don't need to will still do it just to keep up with the Jones.
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Exactly. When the cost of doing business goes up, the costs get passed along to the consumers. We see that with brick and mortar stores already. Businesses in areas with high rents charge people more than those with low rents.
You also have to consider that manufacturers sell to other countries as well. The tariffs would have to be high enough to offset what they'd lose in sales to the rest of the world. They could potentially set up a US plant for US sales, but that's a huge capital investment to counter a tariff that could potentially be repealed in 4 years.
If Trump can bring back manufacturing jobs without hurting consumers, I'd love to hear how he would do it.
No matter what you believe about manufacturing, Hillary isn't going to bring back anything. She follows the same philosophy as Barack Obama. She will continue the same policies. He and she have put a lot of people out of work with their policies, and under her "leadership" (if you can call it that), the American economy will continue to stagnate, and companies will continue to look for greener pastures elsewhere.
Then maybe we need to start paying more for things.
We used to build things that last, now cheaper materials are used. I'd rather pay more and use quality materials again.
First we are already paying more for things. Let's look at gas prices over the past 8 years. All the prices rose due to it going over the $4 mark. We paid more plus we paid surcharges. Now that it's been hovering around the low $2 mark for awhile, nothing went down, we now get less than we got 8 years ago and are still paying fuel surcharges. Now if we build things in the US payroll will go up, cheaper materials are still going to be used since we have to meet a certain price point for a item to sell to a larger segment of the population. As automation and the use of robotics increase, the plants can be built in the US but the people needed once all the new technology was in place severely diminished (cost of people is traded off for cost of technology). I did a robotics install about a decade ago in the US. Once it was fully operational 1400 people turned into 60 over a weekend. And as that technology was tweaked over the next few years it dropped to 18. I just heard from someone that a few months ago it dropped to "0". Anything that was outsourced out of the 1400 no longer exists. There is no one there except for some Corp Mgmt and security guards. Maintenance wise is usually one person through a third party contract.
As to cheaper materials, it's now pretty mandated to do so. Just look closely at nearly any product in your home that has recycle code on it. That means the material has around 10% junk in it. The more times items they are recycled the higher percentage of junk in it until it becomes unusable.
As to you paying more for a item, that's you and not the majority of Americans. The US is a throw away economy. Outside of high ticket items, Americans would rather throw away and replace than repair. The sticker shock is not always the cost of the part, but is the cost of US labor to do the repair. When I'm in other countries, the cost of repair labor is much lower and people tend to keep things longer for that reason.
No matter what you believe about manufacturing, Hillary isn't going to bring back anything. She follows the same philosophy as Barack Obama. She will continue the same policies. He and she have put a lot of people out of work with their policies, and under her "leadership" (if you can call it that), the American economy will continue to stagnate, and companies will continue to look for greener pastures elsewhere.
First we are already paying more for things. Let's look at gas prices over the past 8 years. All the prices rose due to it going over the $4 mark. We paid more plus we paid surcharges. Now that it's been hovering around the low $2 mark for awhile, nothing went down, we now get less than we got 8 years ago and are still paying fuel surcharges. Now if we build things in the US payroll will go up, cheaper materials are still going to be used since we have to meet a certain price point for a item to sell to a larger segment of the population. As automation and the use of robotics increase, the plants can be built in the US but the people needed once all the new technology was in place severely diminished (cost of people is traded off for cost of technology). I did a robotics install about a decade ago in the US. Once it was fully operational 1400 people turned into 60 over a weekend. And as that technology was tweaked over the next few years it dropped to 18. I just heard from someone that a few months ago it dropped to "0". Anything that was outsourced out of the 1400 no longer exists. There is no one there except for some Corp Mgmt and security guards. Maintenance wise is usually one person through a third party contract.
anyone who wants protectionist policies in relation to the economy should have been rooting for bernie sanders , trump spouts populist soundbites all day long but his party is firmly in the pockets of the 1% ( so are the democrats of course but to a slightly less degree ) so the notion that blue collar workers in the rust belt are going to see a renaisance is make believe
i actually prefer trump to hillary by a distance BTW
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