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Old 02-27-2008, 10:39 AM
 
Location: wrong planet
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First off, I already pay "fees".

Second, I don't "bring it up everyday". I bring some things up as examples and, if you reviewed my comments, honestly, and in context, it was posed as a question to a poster who expressed certain opposition to "luxuries".
Most likely the "fees" you pay aren't high enough, none of us pay for all or most of the environmental damage done by the things we use, but those who consume more, cause more damage than those who chose to recycle or buy used.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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BTW - they do not offer recycling where I live.

Too bad.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:42 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Admittedly a Nuke in the basement is an extreme example but how about a bio diesel fueled combined heat and power system for your household. Industries are already beginning to use this technology and are saving money and fuel while operating the machines. The technology is covered in “distributed energy” magazine among others. I am looking into these as a possible business after I retire and will not be risking anything but some money.

Oh, I think bio-diesel's a great idea, especially those able to run vehicles/generators on recycled cooking oils, seems like a win-win situation.

I know nukes have a good record for the most part in USN ships/subs, but that's with a military budget and 27/7 human monitoring. Aside from the potential from disaster I still wonder what the true cost of nuclear generated electricity is when all factors are considered?
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:45 AM
 
Location: bumcrack Nebraska
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Oh, I think bio-diesel's a great idea, especially those able to run vehicles/generators on recycled cooking oils, seems like a win-win situation.

I know nukes have a good record for the most part in USN ships/subs, but that's with a military budget and 27/7 human monitoring. Aside from the potential from disaster I still wonder what the true cost of nuclear generated electricity is when all factors are considered?
Civilian reactors have the same 24/7 monitoring. Always need people babysitting the reactor.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Everyone complains about planes, trains and automobiles maybe there should be a tax on beef............(Not that I'll stop eating steak) Just my attempt to point out that my tripacer isn't so bad.......
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Everyone complains about planes, trains and automobiles maybe there should be a tax on beef............(Not that I'll stop eating steak) Just my attempt to point out that my tripacer isn't so bad.......
Ah man! You got a tripacer???? Now, I'm jealous
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Ah man! You got a tripacer???? Now, I'm jealous
yea me and my dad and a friend of his. They take it out more then I do. A guy at work club owns a 180 we get to take that out quite a bit....Faster the the tripacer but the old birds funner to fly!!!!
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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yea me and my dad and a friend of his. They take it out more then I do. A guy at work club owns a 180 we get to take that out quite a bit....Faster the the tripacer but the old birds funner to fly!!!!
I love the Cub and the Tripacer - they ARE slow but, a hoot to fly - sightseeing is just so much fun in them!!
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:39 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Civilian reactors have the same 24/7 monitoring. Always need people babysitting the reactor.
Yup! My mistake, must've been having a 'senior moment'.

As someone has said both TMI and Chernobyl were the resilut of human error, as far as I remember we haven't had a similar occurence with a military reactor.

Besides actual cost per KwHr, which still seems questionable, there remains the fact that man makes mistakes. The questopn weill always be there of what level of benefit/risk-consequence ratio are we willing to accept?
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:22 PM
 
Location: bumcrack Nebraska
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Yup! My mistake, must've been having a 'senior moment'.

As someone has said both TMI and Chernobyl were the resilut of human error, as far as I remember we haven't had a similar occurence with a military reactor.

Besides actual cost per KwHr, which still seems questionable, there remains the fact that man makes mistakes. The questopn weill always be there of what level of benefit/risk-consequence ratio are we willing to accept?
Well, TMI was a result of human error, though it was caught in plenty of time. Chernobyl was human error/poor design. Yes, there is a risk with nuclear power. There is also a huge risk every time I get on an airplane. If something goes wrong in that plane I am going die. But I still get on that plane because I have faith in the safety of the plane itself and the qualifications of the pilots. I've enjoyed reading this thread. Everyone has great points. I still honestly believe nuclear power in America is completely safe. I send the father of my children to a Navy reactor daily. In a couple of months I will send him to a civilian reactor. I'd much rather send him to a nuclear reactor than to an environment-contaminating coal-fired plant.
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