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Old 08-31-2016, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Now they will pay and the taxpayers suffer because it's their money.
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Albuquerque resident Arlene Harjo, 56, is paying off a loan for a car she doesn't have, because the city seized it for a crime it readily admits she didn't commit, under an asset forfeiture program that is supposed to be banned.

After her son was pulled over for drunk driving, Harjo became one of roughly a thousand people every year who have their car seized by the city of Albuquerque in a process heavily weighted against the property owner. But unlike the vast majority of those cases, she's not rolling over. A new lawsuit filed Wednesday in state court by Harjo and the Institute for Justice, a libertarian-leaning public interest law firm, argues the city's lucrative vehicle seizure program stands in direct contradiction of recently passed state laws and "is driven by a pernicious—and unconstitutional—profit incentive" that deprived Harjo of her 14th Amendment due process rights.

"It's a scam and a rip off," Harjo said. "They're taking property from people who just loan a vehicle to someone. It's happened a lot. Everybody I've talked to has had it happen to them or somebody they know, and everybody just pays."

New Mexico Passed a Law Ending Civil Forfeiture. Albuquerque Ignored It, and Now It
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Old 08-31-2016, 04:39 PM
 
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and thats the way it should be, you commit a crime in a car, they should take the car, doesnt matter who owns it. even it it was a rental.
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Old 08-31-2016, 05:17 PM
 
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Think stuff like this only goes on in the third world? Stalin would be proud. Land of the free!


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and thats the way it should be, you commit a crime in a car, they should take the car, doesnt matter who owns it. even it it was a rental.
The owner of the car didn't commit any crime, fascist jackhole.
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Old 08-31-2016, 05:44 PM
 
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and thats the way it should be, you commit a crime in a car, they should take the car, doesnt matter who owns it. even it it was a rental.
This is the thing to do in a non free society.
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Old 08-31-2016, 05:58 PM
 
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and thats the way it should be, you commit a crime in a car, they should take the car, doesnt matter who owns it. even it it was a rental.
take the car or impound the car? under the state laws, the civil forfeiture is illegal, and thus should never have happened. the car should have been impounded, which is legal in every state, and impound fees legally applied. that way the owner could get their car back without having to sue the city, and causing problems.

i suspect the city was trying to use the RICO act to justify civil forfeiture, and it wouldnt apply.
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Old 08-31-2016, 06:25 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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From "civil forfeiture" to even "property taxes" demonstrates the fact that "ownership" is a fiction in this country. We are merely "citizens" with "privileges" and NOT people with rights.

Furthermore, any property "tax" or "forfeiture" is nothing but theft in every regard. If a person can be shown to have caused a monetary loss to another through liability or aggression, they should be made to reimburse the victim. The State is a fictional "entity" and cannot be a victim. It cannot claim a monetary loss as only people have property, fictional entities do not.
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Old 08-31-2016, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The only thing the State has ever excelled at is finding new ways to exploit its peasants.
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Old 08-31-2016, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Simple DUI and car confiscated??? Hmm weird. Something is wrong here for sure?? No other charges?
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Old 08-31-2016, 06:46 PM
 
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Does this mean if someone steals a car and commits a crime while driving it, the owner loses the car?
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Old 09-01-2016, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Vladivostok Russia
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From "civil forfeiture" to even "property taxes" demonstrates the fact that "ownership" is a fiction in this country. We are merely "citizens" with "privileges" and NOT people with rights.

Furthermore, any property "tax" or "forfeiture" is nothing but theft in every regard. If a person can be shown to have caused a monetary loss to another through liability or aggression, they should be made to reimburse the victim. The State is a fictional "entity" and cannot be a victim. It cannot claim a monetary loss as only people have property, fictional entities do not.

Agree completely. Property taxes are the most oppressive taxes on the planet. Most CDErs will cry about taxes on their labor - but something you've earned after you've already been assessed taxes on your labor is now taxed over and over.

The first tax I would abolish is the property taxes.
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