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Old 09-05-2016, 10:38 AM
 
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Mexicans are very hard working people. I know there are drug dealers and criminals among them but the ones that work work hard. They not only do work you can't get Americans to do. They do traditional American jobs and do them well.

I'm not sure if they're here legal or illegal but the ones that are working part of the solution, not the problem. The criminal element is the problem.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Sigh. I'm sorry. I don't have any more time for this nonsense. Have a good holiday.
In other words.....you got nothing.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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^^^ This. These jobs were probably done LEGALLY by workers in the guest worker program. What happened to that program?

I'm a Democrat and most Democrats want something done. Personally, I don't know of anyone in any party who is in favor of unbridled immigration with no background check, no health check, nothing. Look what it's done to the UK. The main reason they left the EU is due to being forced to take more and more immigrants. Their country would go bankrupt if they took many more--their health care system has nearly been ruined by too many immigrants using it, people who haven't paid a penny into the system.

What if they make the illegals, legal? THEN who's going to do the jobs the illegals do? More illegals?


Yeah, and five minutes after the new guest worker program goes into effect, Chuck Schumer will be in front of every camera he can find whining about "second-class citizenship" and the need to give these people the same rights as the rest of us, i.e., the right to vote for Democrats and receive a check in the mail.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Mexicans are very hard working people. I know there are drug dealers and criminals among them but the ones that work work hard. They not only do work you can't get Americans to do. They do traditional American jobs and do them well.

I'm not sure if they're here legal or illegal but the ones that are working part of the solution, not the problem. The criminal element is the problem.

If they are here illegally they are the criminal element. They commit identify theft to gain employment. You try that and see what happens.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Mexicans are very hard working people. I know there are drug dealers and criminals among them but the ones that work work hard. They not only do work you can't get Americans to do. They do traditional American jobs and do them well.

I'm not sure if they're here legal or illegal but the ones that are working part of the solution, not the problem. The criminal element is the problem.
How hard working they might be is irrelevant.

How are illegals doing roofing for minimum wage (or less) when an American would be paid $18.00 an hour (or more) "part of the solution" ?
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Realize what?
That illegal exploited labor, stagnates the going rates of labor? Doing jobs Americans don't want to do for the low pay, the illegals created?

Gotcha!

The 1986 bipartisan legislation made employment of undocumented workers a federal crime. It was enacted with a wink and a nod that Federal Government would not go out of its way to pursue criminals who employed undocumented workers and the penalties for such crimes would not be harsh. It has not mattered who sat the oval or held the majority.

Right now, there are 20,000 ICE employees, including admin support, spread in more than 400 offices throughout the US and other countries vs 11-12 million illegal aliens whereby each household has at least one member who is employed.

There are hundreds of sanctuary cities and in the case of Florida, sanctuary counties, that will not cooperate with ICE when they arrest and set bail for illegal aliens charged with crimes unrelated to residency or employment. Local LE, judicial and penal systems do not have the resources to cooperate, unless compensated by the Federal Government.

Trump has made his intention to treble the size of ICE, block funding of sanctuary cities and seek cooperation with local LE. 60,000 ICE employees are better than 20,000 albeit still woefully inadequate to make a dent in 11-12 illegal immigrants. Congress has to approve and fund the labor, physical space, cars, weapons, systems, jails, courts and compensation to municipal LE to share the burden.

Way down on the list of priorities ( potentially beyond a single term) is the pursuit of Congressional action to make E-Verify a Federal Law.

So long as employers face no harsh consequences for their crimes of employing undocumented workers- getting to the root cause- we will not put a dent in the 11-12 million, most of whom manage to avoid being arrested for crimes unrelated to immigration.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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Amazing how the right wing "less government" crowd advocates more government when it is convenient to them.

Why not allow a true . A good conservative right wing Republican should be in favor of "laissez-faire" system at all times.
Yes of course. Dodge and deflect, dodge and deflect. Let me know when you can find a system that encourages illegal activity (I won't hold my breath). And I really don't care about your little "Right wing", "Left wing" nonsense. You're so busy trying to label people, you can't have an objective conversation. What part of both sides are at fault don't you understand?

Oh how I wish people would use some critical thinking skills and focus on issues instead of this picking baseball team BS.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:53 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Mexicans are very hard working people. I know there are drug dealers and criminals among them but the ones that work work hard. They not only do work you can't get Americans to do. They do traditional American jobs and do them well.

I'm not sure if they're here legal or illegal but the ones that are working part of the solution, not the problem. The criminal element is the problem.

Not in a welfare state. The general welfare of citizens should come first. Not the general welfare of other nations people.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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Don't blame illegals, blame the companies who hire them
"I want to pay more for my groceries, lawn care, house painting, etc.", said no consumer ever.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:59 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The 1986 bipartisan legislation made employment of undocumented workers a federal crime. It was enacted with a wink and a nod that Federal Government would not go out of its way to pursue criminals who employed undocumented workers and the penalties for such crimes would not be harsh. It has not mattered who sat the oval or held the majority.
Are you justifying it as OK?

The wink & a nod Establishment has been playing both sides of the game. Not until the 2010 Mid-terms, did some get called out and primaried in one party. Every 2 years since, the anti-establishment has been a growing trend, with this time around no different the Democrats tried it and felt the Bern.

Obama nibbled at the anti-establishment rederict to get elected, but turned out to get right in bed with them.
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